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the sniper

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Yeah I know that.... :roll:

I would assume people would understand that I meant when will the first unit be on test after it's built.....

I think he knew what you meant.

No one really knows when LM 172s are going to be ready, last I heard they were talking about June. Presumably LM's first gangwayed 172 will have to run around Old Dolby before doing it's mileage accumulation in Birmingham?
 
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I think he knew what you meant.

No one really knows when LM 172s are going to be ready, last I heard they were talking about June. Presumably LM's first gangwayed 172 will have to run around Old Dolby before doing it's mileage accumulation in Birmingham?

First units will be going to Old Dalby yes. Not for as long as the LOROL ones though, as the primary testing was with the gearbox and transmission etc. They're mostly the same, although differently set up for 100 vs 75.
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001 was out today Eus - MKC testing, and will be again tomorrow... And the day after... And the day... And...
 
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First units will be going to Old Dalby yes. Not for as long as the LOROL ones though, as the primary testing was with the gearbox and transmission etc. They're mostly the same, although differently set up for 100 vs 75.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
001 was out today Eus - MKC testing, and will be again tomorrow... And the day after... And the day... And...

I should be able to get some photos. Do you know the exact timings?
 
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The first LM underframe and roof sections are complete and are positioned over one another, cab back walls installed and ready to receive their bodysides.

172001 LOROL unit will be making its way to Aylesbury this weekend and for clarification, the LOROL units are specified for 100mph
 
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No they're not - only the LM ones are 100.

Wikipedia is most likely the source you are quoting but my source is entirely different namely the actual specification of the units. It says 160Kph (not 100MPH) and if you can get close enough to peer in the cab, you will see the mandatory label on the panel to the upper left of the driving position actually says 160Kph to reflect this requirement.

The exposed section of exhaust either side of the bogie is wrapped in Pyrogel to reduce the exposed area temperatures.
 

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[8th May] leaving Willesden at 09:00 and arriving at Aylesbury 10:30. Return path, depart Aylesbury 16:30 arrive Willesden 17:40
 

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Actually - the DfT spec documents. Mind you doesn't say much. I'll wait until I see inside one.
 

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I thought the LM ones were 75mph, as they're only working commuter routes? :|

Which is absolutely right, but only the LM ones will be restricted to this. They will have different 'gearing' (?!) to enable them to accelerate faster but 100mph isn't needed on the Kidderminster/Snow Hill/Dorridge route...
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Which is absolutely right, but only the LM ones will be restricted to this. They will have different 'gearing' (?!) to enable them to accelerate faster but 100mph isn't needed on the Kidderminster/Snow Hill/Dorridge route...

No it's not!! :lol: I have researched (a bit) and apparently the LM ones will be 100mph....
 
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Chiltern ones are 75mph. Go back a few pages and you'll see that I posted a good while back that they will only go to Gerrards Cross and occasionaly up to Wycombe. They are purely for the local stoppers.
 

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Chiltern ones are 75mph. Go back a few pages and you'll see that I posted a good while back that they will only go to Gerrards Cross and occasionaly up to Wycombe. They are purely for the local stoppers.

Which raises the question (for me at least!) of why are the LM ones going to be 100mph?
 
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Pumbaa, you have the right idea to make your own mind but trust that you will report your findings to the community. Given that I have worked on this project from conception, through design and construction phases and into the current manufacturing and type testing plan, I know 172’s better than most.
To clear up a point, both the ROSCO specifications clearly identify the required maximum top speed is 100mph and 160kph for LM and Chiltern/LOROL units respectively. Chiltern and LOROL’s ROSCO would never accept a ‘poor relation’ sub class as it limits the future commercial viability of their unit; something the DfT still cannot grasp.
After reading this and other threads, I am amazed at the quantity of inaccuracies that are a product of the mis-reported top speed, for example, the remapping of the ZF Ecomat gearbox at Old Dalby. For clarity, the testing of the LM unit at Old Dalby is to dynamically validate design changes over the LOROL units, eg, Hubner leading gangways.
The purpose of raising this point is to correct perceptions for the benefit of wider community; take it or leave it, the community will find out eventually.
 
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Yes, to be precise and quoting the specifications, 100mph for the LM units and 160kph for the Chiltern/LOROL
 

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Pumbaa, you have the right idea to make your own mind but trust that you will report your findings to the community. Given that I have worked on this project from conception, through design and construction phases and into the current manufacturing and type testing plan, I know 172’s better than most.
To clear up a point, both the ROSCO specifications clearly identify the required maximum top speed is 100mph and 160kph for LM and Chiltern/LOROL units respectively. Chiltern and LOROL’s ROSCO would never accept a ‘poor relation’ sub class as it limits the future commercial viability of their unit; something the DfT still cannot grasp.
After reading this and other threads, I am amazed at the quantity of inaccuracies that are a product of the mis-reported top speed, for example, the remapping of the ZF Ecomat gearbox at Old Dalby. For clarity, the testing of the LM unit at Old Dalby is to dynamically validate design changes over the LOROL units, eg, Hubner leading gangways.
The purpose of raising this point is to correct perceptions for the benefit of wider community; take it or leave it, the community will find out eventually.

So they are all mechanical transmission 100mph, thanks.
Pull your finger out and us Snow Hill commuters can say goodbye to the poxy 150's LOL
 

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Yes, to be precise and quoting the specifications, 100mph for the LM units and 160kph for the Chiltern/LOROL
What's the difference between 100 mph and 160 kph? Or am I asking something stupid now? :|

Or maybe I should ask this another way. Why are the specifications for the LM units in mph and for the Chiltern and LOROL ones in kph? ;)
 
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Yes, that's what I meant :) But why would the LOROL and Chiltern (London) units have "continental" specifications? Maybe it's to keep the specifications of the London Overground stock in line with the undergrond stock? Although that wouldn't explain why the Chiltern units also have there specifications.
 

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Yes, that's what I meant :) But why would the LOROL and Chiltern (London) units have "continental" specifications? Maybe it's to keep the specifications of the London Overground stock in line with the undergrond stock? Although that wouldn't explain why the Chiltern units also have there specifications.

The LM units were ordered by Porterbrook.
The Chiltern and Overground ones by Angel.

I think it just a simple case that the two companies do things slightly differently, I doubt there any grander reason than that.
 
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