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Persecution of trainspotters

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thegrich37423

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If people on here seriously believe that there is some sort of distinction between a 'trainspotter', a 'train photographer' and a 'basher', then therein lies the problem. Do you seriously expect station staff to care about such a distinction? As I stated earlier, they are interested in maintaining and upholding the safety of stations for the traveling public. They don't care if you're a train photter or a trainspotter. If you are breaking the rules, then they are well within their remit to act.
 
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True, and the same would apply to any passengers, enthusiasts or not. The problem is that most of the time people are breaking no rules. There is not a rule that says you can not take photographs of trains, yet some staff act like there is. Someone taking a photograph or video of a train is not breaking any rules by default. If they break rules whilst doing it then they should be delt with, the fact they are taking photographs or not should be irrelevant. Just because some enthusiasts break the rules doesn't mean that all of them do, or all should be treated as they do.
I only made the point about different types of enthusiast to say that not all "spotters" hang around at the ends of platforms for hours and hours, whether taking numbers or photographing. Some are travelling on the trains (as fare paying "customers") because they enjoy it, and take photographs to record the trains they have been on and locations they have visited. Some are just normal passengers who happen to take a photograph of an interesting train they see whilst travelling. The latter two are just as likely to have problems as "trainspotters". Even when it comes to the guidelines there is a clear distinction between "spotters" and "bashers" in that the former will likely spend a long time in one location, and therefore to avoid problems should be making themselves known to station staff, and if not should reaonably expect to be questioned about what they are doing. The latter are unlikely to be spending any more time at stations than normal passengers, so should have no reason to make themselves known.
Overall the point I was trying to make is that more than an issue of a "persectution" of spotters, it's photographers (in all of their forms, not just railway) who can find themselves "persecuted".
 

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There is nothing wrong with train spotters but couldnt we give them a broom so in between trains they could be used .
 

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As anyone who read my earlier post on this will know, I'm NOT a spotter of any kind, however I'm trying to understand EXACTLY why a well behaved spotter should not be allowed to take photos or whatever of trains and stations - without the following obvious exceptions:

1 - Use of a camera flash is an understandable issue (esp. on underground platforms), so if that's used, then they should be reminded, cautioned or removed depending on their attitude and number of times it happens.
2 - If they are impeding the operation of the station in any way - i.e. blocking exits, ticket barriers, etc... then likewise, a reminder, followed by a warning, followed by removal.
3 - Endangering themselves would be another issue - there are loads of videos on YouTube with spotters standing on the track side of the yellow lines at places like Northallerton and Stevenage where the line speed is 125mph, presumably to get the drivers to make some noise with the horn.
4 - If they have acted in any other unlawful way - i.e. shoplifting, abuse or anti-social behaviour.

However, read all the above again - they apply to ANYONE using a station, whether you are a designated spotter or not. Only posessing or using a camera at a station is hardly decent cause for security to get involved. What can taking a picture of a platform possibly be harmful for? You can see most stations online these days, on google earth or multimap, so it's not like it's top secret. Pick a station - any station - count the number of passengers at rush hour - count the number of passengers that have a mobile phone (and nearly all of those have cameras built in) - how can you possibly police that and at the same time differentiate between a "passenger" (or customer as they insist on calling them these days) and a "trainspotter"?

It's all bollocks - they're all just scared that somehow it's their fault that someone is in a station doing something other than waiting for a train and that there is some kind of stigma attached to using a camera in a public place that's not a tourist attraction. I'm all for proper - effective security, but that involves common sense - something that the idiots you hear about in these stories lack in the vast majority of cases, but as always, I'm sure there are exceptions, but to be ejected from a railway property, you need to be doing something worse than taking a bloody photograph surely.
 

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Just curious, what were British Rail(ways) like with trainspotters?

In 1948 they published a book of lists of all the locomotive numbers with photos of the various classes. It made an A5 paperback about half an inch thick so it wasn't cheap. They handed copies out free at all our local schools. I wish I still had my copy.
 

thegrich37423

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TGV's post sums up why the blame game falls both ways, certainly that's how I interpreted it. It is very true that its not always the spotter's fault, as proven by that incident at Macclesfield which got branded about the internet like as if it was some sort of victory celebration for the poor persecuted spotters of the UK. My gripe is this whole 'persecution' business. My last question before I bow out of this debate is: why do these spotters feel so strongly that they have to resort to using profound words such as 'persecuted/persecution'?

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In 1948 they published a book of lists of all the locomotive numbers with photos of the various classes. It made an A5 paperback about half an inch thick so it wasn't cheap. They handed copies out free at all our local schools. I wish I still had my copy.

Have read that they ran a lot of railtours as well. Even some "farewell" tours for particular locomotive classes and certain routes. Seems that they actually encouraged the hobby.
 

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There are no guidelines for 'Trainspotters,' they are for railway photographers.

I think you are confused somewhat, as not everyone who is interested in the railways are Trainspotters and I think also you'll find very few people on this forum are Transpotters. Sorry, but your trolling attempt has failed this time.
There are no guidelines for railway photographers. The guidelines are for enthusiasts. If you are a photographer who is not an enthusiast, there are no guidelines that apply specifically, so it's just a case of following byelaws.

The guidelines are sometimes used incorrectly, e.g. a claim will be made that it says photographers must sign in to take a photo. This is not true in the slightest, as there are no guidelines for photographers, and no byelaws stating you must sign in to take a photo.
thegrich37423 said:
If people on here seriously believe that there is some sort of distinction between a 'trainspotter', a 'train photographer' and a 'basher', then therein lies the problem.
If car enthusiasts seriously believe that there is some sort of distinction between car spotters who note down number plates, someone who watches Top Gear, or someone who is a 'boy racer' and uses a Tesco car park to break the law, then therein lies the problem ;):lol:
 

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You're quite annoying.

Bit harsh, the post you quoted was clearly a joke, ive not seen a nice looking female crank yet sorry to the females on here :lol: mind you the thing about forums is you can't see the person ;)
 

ladydsm

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Thank you 37401 it was meant as tounge in cheek but some people take the bait to easy or maybe I hit a raw nerve with bitten im sure there are some very nice train spotters out there:D
 
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