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Sion John said:
Ok thank you i will. Lol TFW are in a mess you never know what TfW has to put on express routes if there short on 175s poor 150s but at least there updating the 150s. Also because 153325 is updated it can go west of Swansea and on to Pembroke dock and heart of wales
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yes, I was on a rammed 150213 with an ex-railway family member from Manchester Piccadilly to Shrewsbury (towards Cardiff Central) and we were not impressed. It was actually struggling to get from 74mph to 75mph, it was carrying that much weight.
 
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anamyd said:
yes, I was on a rammed 150213 with an ex-railway family member from Manchester Piccadilly to Shrewsbury (towards Cardiff Central) and we were not impressed. It was actually struggling to get from 74mph to 75mph, it was carrying that much weight.
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Thats awful
 
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Sion John said:
Yeah because scotrail are upgrading them in landore swansea
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Chrysalis Rail is the company at Landore depot doing the work for ScotRail :) Those are the longest distance movements I know of at the moment, with the units being in all 3 GB constituent countries on the same day!
 
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Chrysalis Rail is the company at Landore depot doing the work for ScotRail :) Those are the longest distance movements I know of at the moment, with the units being in all 3 GB constituent countries on the same day!
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Yep same
 
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Spotted Class 156 ScotRail heading into Shrewsbury from Crewe around 4 hours ago??
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There were actually 2 Scotrail 156s on the Marches today. The one you mentioned and one traveling the other direction a few hours earlier. Lots of spotters around too as there was a steam train passing through ah doubtless lots of photos/videos will be appearing shortly online.

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yes, I was on a rammed 150213 with an ex-railway family member from Manchester Piccadilly to Shrewsbury (towards Cardiff Central) and we were not impressed. It was actually struggling to get from 74mph to 75mph, it was carrying that much weight.
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That doesn't sound too bad going! Is that a mistype perhaps? A loss of only 1mph would more likely be down to the difference in whatever device you used to record and the drivers speedometer.

That said,with all the hills along the route there are plenty of places between Manchester and Cardiff where even a 175 can't reach 75, never mind a 150.
 
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That doesn't sound too bad going! Is that a mistype perhaps? A loss of only 1mph would more likely be down to the difference in whatever device you used to record and the drivers speedometer.

That said,with all the hills along the route there are plenty of places between Manchester and Cardiff where even a 175 can't reach 75, never mind a 150.
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Fair points. And yes a mistype, I meant 70-75
 
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anamyd said:
yes, I was on a rammed 150213 with an ex-railway family member from Manchester Piccadilly to Shrewsbury (towards Cardiff Central) and we were not impressed. It was actually struggling to get from 74mph to 75mph, it was carrying that much weight.
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The 150s vary. Some are very sluggish, others only lose the dd minute here and there. I had one last year on the 1830 Manchester to Cardiff. It was 30 late from Crewe (nothing to do with it being a 150) and actually clawed back half the delay by the time it got to Cardiff!
 
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The 150s vary. Some are very sluggish, others only lose the dd minute here and there. I had one last year on the 1830 Manchester to Cardiff. It was 30 late from Crewe (nothing to do with it being a 150) and actually clawed back half the delay by the time it got to Cardiff!
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This one lost more and more time and was quite late by the time it finally arrived in Cardiff (I kept following it on realtimetrains after I got off)
 
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craigybagel said:
There were actually 2 Scotrail 156s on the Marches today. The one you mentioned and one traveling the other direction a few hours earlier. Lots of spotters around too as there was a steam train passing through ah doubtless lots of photos/videos will be appearing shortly online.



That doesn't sound too bad going! Is that a mistype perhaps? A loss of only 1mph would more likely be down to the difference in whatever device you used to record and the drivers speedometer.

That said,with all the hills along the route there are plenty of places between Manchester and Cardiff where even a 175 can't reach 75, never mind a 150.
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175s can do 100mph on the WCML but Newport to Crewe they do 90mph
 
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Cardiff123 said:
Yes, or I wouldn't have said it. :lol:
Track down any industry magazine from Summer 2018 with an article on the franchise launch and it'll be in there.
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Sorry, my previous post was a rather poor way of asking if you happened to be able to point me at the source. I had a very quick look through my Modern Railways pile but can't find the right issue. Does anybody know if the requirement to add capacity if needed is there for all to see in any of the franchise agreement documents that have beenn made public? Assuming it's there, I'd be interested to see how it is worded (eg. under what circumstances are they required to add more stock?)
 
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Sion John said:
175s can do 100mph on the WCML but Newport to Crewe they do 90mph
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I know, I work the route regularly :) my point was some of the hills on the route are too steep for the trains used to reach their top speed, regardless of the speed limit (line speed) for that part of the line. Between Shrewsbury and Church Stretton for example, a 175 won't get above 75 (and even that's a struggle in places) and a 150 won't get over about 65. The line speed is 90 in places but it's not actually possible to achieve with the rolling stock used.
 
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Sorry to be a spoilsport ;) but can we try to keep on the subject of TfW stock shortages please? This isn't a 'master' thread to discuss all aspects of TfW stock, also any personal conversations are best done via direct conversation message. As always, any concerns can be reported using the report button. Many thanks :)
 
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Are TfW short of stock on Saturdays?
If so,why dont they use both sets of mk3s
on a Saturday
 
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Chris217 said:
Are TfW short of stock on Saturdays?
If so,why dont they use both sets of mk3s
on a Saturday
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No more than any other day. The Premier Service doesn't operate at weekends and the Manchester set can catch up on Maintenance.
They are used on occasions for events such as Rugby. Also, to avoid Higher (LHCS) Track Access Charges
 
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Sion John said:
Yeah i been told they are staying into 2020 like pacers are
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I don't believe that TfW have been granted the dispensation to continue using Pacers into 2020, and that it would be in a few days' time.
 
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What happens then if dispensation has not been granted and TfW continue to use them for the sake of continuing to run the services they provide?

Better to run the trains with whatever they've got until further notice,than cancel the many services they already run that utilise the Pacers and LHS trains.

Government interference has caused this impending mess.
The PRM laws for trains should only have been made law for new trains.
As it is,most operators now have to mod their own trains by law or....buy a new fleet of trains!
Astonishing how we let the government interfere.I thought the railways were privatised.
As long as all trains are safe to use and turn up on time,who cares about the toilets.
 
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@Chris217 PRM is more than toilets, and I believe it's fines and Network Rail doing whatever they can to avoid them running on their tracks.
 
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