Merseytravel Saveaway tickets online

[northwichcat]

Now Merseytravel are using standard rail tickets for Saveaways is it possible to buy one online from a normal train ticket provider website opposed to having to buy them in batches of 10 directly from Merseytravel?

 

[mickey]

Now Merseytravel are using standard rail tickets for Saveaways is it possible to buy one online from a normal train ticket provider website opposed to having to buy them in batches of 10 directly from Merseytravel?

No.

It's not Merseytravel using orange ticket stock it's MerseyRAIL; if you buy them from bus stations or corner shops you still get the scratch-off ones. Also, AFAIK, it's only Merseyrail (and ATW in the case of Chester) stations that can issue them; you can't, for example, buy one at Euston for use on arrival. Similarly with local rail season tickets, the text on which has to be entered manually (zones, etc.).

Incidentally, the only reason you ever 'had' to get them in batches of 10 is for frequent users to get a discount - most people still buy them individually.

 

[northwichcat]

Incidentally, the only reason you ever 'had' to get them in batches of 10 is for frequent users to get a discount - most people still buy them individually.

Not if you want to buy them from Merseytravel by post - it's 10 minimum:

http://www.merseytravel.gov.uk/articleimages/Saveaway Mar10.pdf

• You can also buy 10 or more Saveaways by post from Hub Support, 24 Hatton Garden, Liverpool L3 2AN. Send details of which Saveaways you
need, along with payment (cheque payable to Merseytravel with cheque card number and name and address entered on the back, or credit/debit card number with issue number and expiry date). We shall send your tickets out within three days.

 

[dave4jackie]

No.

It's not Merseytravel using orange ticket stock it's MerseyRAIL; if you buy them from bus stations or corner shops you still get the scratch-off ones. Also, AFAIK, it's only Merseyrail (and ATW in the case of Chester) stations that can issue them; you can't, for example, buy one at Euston for use on arrival. Similarly with local rail season tickets, the text on which has to be entered manually (zones, etc.).

Incidentally, the only reason you ever 'had' to get them in batches of 10 is for frequent users to get a discount - most people still buy them individually.

they could do,it's just that they would not have a clue how to do it,same as stations not in london area can issue travelcards for london if they know how to issue them

 

[First class]

You can actually buy them at ANY National Rail outlet, and onboard from any Avantix Mobile machine.

They are just issued as a "ranger" ticket.

Northern Rail, Merseyrail and ATW all issue them through a TIS anyway because they're in the Saveaway area, but any TOC, at any station can issue them. You can even get them through any telesales that issue rangers. The only thing you can't issue them on is RSP4407/8 stock due to a need for ORCATS accounting.

They're not issued like travelcards in the slightest:

Easy:

1) Choose Manual Fares
2) Select Rovers and Rangers
3) Choose appropiate MTRAVEL SAVEAWAY ranger.
4) Choose payment method and issue

No text is entered 'manually' with the exception of the optional field to insert a customer name.

Effectively, any outlet that sells rovers/rangers can sell you a Saveaway.

 

[142094]

Just wondering:

1) The old, scratch card versions, are they being used up until gone or just dumped straight away?

2) How long can you keep a scratch card type before it becomes invalid? Guessing this will be until the last possible date you can scratch off on the ticket, unless they've brought this forward?

 

[mickey]

Just wondering:

1) The old, scratch card versions, are they being used up until gone or just dumped straight away?

2) How long can you keep a scratch card type before it becomes invalid? Guessing this will be until the last possible date you can scratch off on the ticket, unless they've brought this forward?

They will be valid until the last date that can be scratched off, which in most cases currently is the end of 2010. However, more will soon be printed and they will continue to be issued for a considerable period of time. Unless every bus station and corner shop in Merseyside is issued with a rail ticketing machine (and staff given appropriate training in rail ticket issue) there will still be a need for the old-style tickets.

 

[First class]

They will be valid until the last date that can be scratched off, which in most cases currently is the end of 2010. However, more will soon be printed and they will continue to be issued for a considerable period of time. Unless every bus station and corner shop in Merseyside is issued with a rail ticketing machine (and staff given appropriate training in rail ticket issue) there will still be a need for the old-style tickets.

All rail stations no longer stock scratch card versions. They were dumped as soon as the new system was implemented.

Secondly, the scratch card version is expected to go fairly soon everywhere. The use of "pay point" or "smartcard" technology will most probably be the successor. I'd say no scratch card versions at all by end of 2011.

Arriva already enable their own day tickets to be made through 'Pay Point' or mobile phone ticketing arrangements.

 

[mickey]

[...]Effectively, any outlet that sells rovers/rangers can sell you a Saveaway.

Well I didn't know that: thank you for correcting my ignorance. Is there a guide to use attached to it though? I mean, and forgive me if I'm wrong again, I'd have considered it unlikely that a guard on the Highland Line or station clerk in Evesham will know that Liverpool is zone C and Sefton zone D, so how do they know which to issue?

RSP4407/8 stock

What is this? Is it the paper tickets ME RPIs (and some XC guards) use or something else?

 

[First class]

[...]Effectively, any outlet that sells rovers/rangers can sell you a Saveaway./QUOTE]

Well I didn't know that: thank you for correcting my ignorance. Is there a guide to use attached to it though? I mean, and forgive me if I'm wrong again, I'd have considered it unlikely that a guard on the Highland Line or station clerk in Evesham will know that Liverpool is zone C and Sefton zone D, so how do they know which to issue?
What is this? Is it the paper tickets ME RPIs (and some XC guards) use or something else?

Guards can only issue what the passenger asks for. The guard/retailer could check the Fares Manual though which has full mapping details.

All TOCs have 'excess pads' known as RSP 4407/4408. On Merseyrail, the RPIs do carry these for tickets. However, most booking offices/conductors nationwide stock them for in the event of a machine fail. Scotrail Sleeper staff always use them to issue Berth Supplements upon.

A question that even I don't know:

If I hold an 'area C' one day ranger, is it permitted to excess to an 'all zones' ranger?
I've never heard of getting excess fares for rangers/rovers...

No local instructions have been issued, and the STAR system couldn't handle such an excess.

 

[northwichcat]

Guards can only issue what the passenger asks for. The guard/retailer could check the Fares Manual though which has full mapping details.

But they can suggest an alternative if they are aware of it e.g. on some Northern services a Duo (a two passenger return which have a couple of extra restrictions over off-peak day returns), where available is always cheaper than two singles on Northern network as Northern don't so off-peak singles. Guards frequently tell people this who ask for two or more singles.

 

[mezdup]

...And I am sure all of this shall be addressed when I pass my medical and start my induction training.. our batch being the Guards of the Future!