London -> Durham Super off peak return with YP - restrictions?

[Going South]

I'm planning on making a return journey from London to Durham in a few weeks time (mid-July) and have a few queries about using a super off peak ticket (with a YP railcard).

I don't need complete flexibility, but need some as I may delay my return by 24 hrs, hence super off peak.

I will be travelling on weekdays.

I would like to break my journey north at York (overnight) - can I do this on this ticket?

Are there any restrictions on my return journey?

Many thanks

 

[John @ home]

I would like to break my journey north at York (overnight) - can I do this on this ticket?

Here are the restrictions on break of this outward journey overnight.

Origin : LONDON TERMINALS
Destination : DURHAM
Route : 00000 - ANY PERMITTED
Discount : 16-25 RAILCARD
Standard Class Return
SSR - SUPER OFFPEAK RETURN ECC
1 Adult @£69.05
Restriction : 9D
Available as listed below Mondays-Fridays (By any train on Bank Holidays and other days.)
OUTWARD TRAVEL NORTHBOUND - by any train scheduled to DEPART:
LONDON TERMINALS: (except as shown below) Between 0929 and 1457 inclusive & at or after 1859. Also allowed at or after 1815 on Fridays only.
LONDON LIVERPOOL STREET: Between 0930 and 1629 inclusive & at or after 1834.
LONDON ST PANCRAS: Between 1026 and 1515 inclusive & at or after 1859.
LONDON EUSTON: Between 0905 and 1514 inclusive & at or after 1832.

Super Off-Peak Singles and the outward portion of Super Off-Peak Returns are valid for travel on the date shown on the ticket. Where a passenger wishes to stop overnight or the journey cannot be completed within one day, break of journey for an overnight stay is allowed. Where a journey continues into the next day, travel must resume before 1200 and any relevant time restrictions apply (except where regarded as an unbroken continuation of the previous days' travel where the first connection of the day may be taken). No further break of journey is allowed except for the purposes of changing trains.

Are there any restrictions on my return journey?

Yes.

Return travel - by any train scheduled to ARRIVE at or after:
LONDON TERMINALS (except as shown below): 1117
LONDON LIVERPOOL STREET: 1000
LONDON ST PANCRAS: 1129
LONDON EUSTON: 1055

Return portions of Super Off-Peak Return tickets are valid for travel until 0230 on the day following the last day of validity (i.e. one calendar month from the outward journey). If a passenger is still travelling at 0230, they may stay on the train to complete that part of the journey but no further break of journey is allowed and all travel must be completed by 1200.

 

[yorkie]

I would like to break my journey north at York (overnight) - can I do this on this ticket?

John posted the details above, but interpreting them is tricky. While if you got the 2330 out of King's Cross, there is no doubt you can board a service from Leeds/York the next day (by 1200 of course).

I once had an argument with Slough RPIs (I won't describe what I think of them ) when I broke my journey overnight on a York to Weymouth. I had declined to get the 23xx from Waterloo arriving at silly o'clock. They claim that because I could have got it, I invalidated my claim to overnight stay.

I note the wording is "Where a passenger wishes to stop overnight or...." I believe that, therefore, if you wish to stop overnight that is a valid reason. What comes after the "or" is an alternative valid reason.

Therefore it is valid in my opinion.

There are no (acknowledgeable) barrier staff at York to (throw a wobbler and) make up rules, therefore you won't get the hassle I got at Slough and you won't get them scribbling lies on your ticket.

The next day I had no problems whatsoever (on board staff tend to be far, far, better than RPIs/barrier staff in my experience) on the train, and I am sure you won't either. Just make sure you resume before 12:00!

 

[John @ home]

Just make sure you resume before 12:00!

Just one other thing I forgot to add. When you resume your journey on day 2, if the train you catch started in London then if day 2 is also Monday-Friday the time restrictions still apply.

travel must resume before 1200 and any relevant time restrictions apply

This means you are permitted to catch a train which started in London only if it left there after 0929. From York, this limits you to the 1137 direct and 1153 change Darlington services.

Fortunately there is a wide range of suitable XC and TPE services and a couple of EC ones which did not start in London. You can choose any of these which leave York before 1200.

 

[yorkie]

Ah yes, I had forgotten that debate! Whether anyone would enforce it (as it is utterly bizarre) is questionable, but it's worth mentioning just in case someone did!

 

[wintonian]

Super Off-Peak Singles and the outward portion of Super Off-Peak Returns are valid for travel on the date shown on the ticket. Where a passenger wishes to stop overnight or the journey cannot be completed within one day, break of journey for an overnight stay is allowed. Where a journey continues into the next day, travel must resume before 1200 and any relevant time restrictions apply (except where regarded as an unbroken continuation of the previous days' travel where the first connection of the day may be taken). No further break of journey is allowed except for the purposes of changing trains.

Or possibly the first train of the day, if I read that right?

 

[yorkie]

Or possibly the first train of the day, if I read that right?

It's not an 'or' in this case as the first train of the day (and several more) do not originate in London.

 

[Going South]

So, I should be OK if I get the 0842 TransPennine from York when I resume?
(I ask about this one becasue it is the recommended train for a friend joining me connecting from Knaresborough, probably on an advance ticket)

Many thanks everyone for your help.

 

[paul1609]

Ah yes, I had forgotten that debate! Whether anyone would enforce it (as it is utterly bizarre) is questionable, but it's worth mentioning just in case someone did!

If you think thats bizarre you should have a look at Southerns cycle restrictions on the Westcoastway. Cycles are barred on trains departing either London or Brighton between 16.00 and 19.00 quite sensibly you'd think, but our trains westwards are a combination of London and Brighton starters so after the first train banned because it starts from Brighton you get a couple of trains that are not banned because they started from London before 16.00 and you get trains at well past 20.00 that are banned because they started from London before 19.00 although the previous trains started from Brighton after 19.00 and are not banned. All this is explained in the auto announcements and LED screens at the stations.

Fortunately the staff seem to have worked out the situation is a bit of a farce and dont apply any of the restrictions.