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After little wimpers and bigger protests, broken promises and sudden U-turns, the vast majority of the much needed "Big Bang" expansion of Manchester Metrolink light rail system is back on track!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/8047020.stm

The surprise agreement yesterday between all ten authorities of the Greater Manchester conurbation, signals the release of locally raised taxes to fund the shortfall needed for the full "Big Bang" network expansion.

Central Government had finally approved a partial expansion of Britains first modern light rail service after a much publised backlash. Whitehall had refused to fund new tram schemes in Leeds, Merseyside http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/4481146.stmand Bristol and stepped back from expansions to Midland Metro and Nottingham's NET.

Since then the Scottish government has marched ahead with funding new trams for Edinburgh and even Nottingham squeezed through a minor extension. Then in 2006 Manchester transit authority GMPTE winkled a reprieve from Douglas Alexander (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/5152948.stm) who announced a paired down expansion of the system would get the original money they'd been promised but this would not achive a route to Manchester Airport or certain key town centre routes.

Work on the "Little Bang" has now started (clearance has begun on the long closed heavy rail route to Chorlton, work is progressing behind Piccadilly Station on the Droylesden route with several road closures and traffic diversions in place for the build and the commuter line between Manchester, Oldham and Rochdale will close to heavy rail in October to allow conversion to light rail. A tiny spur to the new media:city site is also under construction).

But not being able to penetrate the town centres of Oldham and Rochdale or build the relatively long route through south Manchesater to the Airport, or to fund a second city centre crossing would have left the network feeling clipped at the wings.

GMPTE therefore gave support in 2008 to a scheme called TIF which could have released up to £3billion for transport improvements but after a local referendum in the city region roundly rejected Congestion Charging (which would have paid for some of the tram expansion), it looked like all bets were off and the system would stay half finished.

Yesterdays surprise agreement between all ten metropolitain boroughs (under Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem and No Overal Control) is a first for UK transport investment and a relatively unknown phenomenon in British politics. A tiny increase of around £2 per year per Council Tax bill will cover the shortfall between the "Little Bang" already underway and the full "Big Bang" (plus a couple of road bypass building schemes and a guided bus route).

Here is a map of what the eventual Metrolink system should look like:
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Bravo to all involved form all political parties and especially the hardwork of the ever diplomatic GMPTE. They have achieved more for their area than has been possible in any other region outside London for decades.

We should all be rightly proud of them and wish full speed to it's construction.
 
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That looks good. Manchester's definitely a city that can do trams, and this certainily expands the network. I don't know Manchester too well, but it seems to be going to the right areas as far as I can see.

Good to see the trams are getting support.
 

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That looks good. Manchester's definitely a city that can do trams, and this certainily expands the network. I don't know Manchester too well, but it seems to be going to the right areas as far as I can see.

Good to see the trams are getting support.

Cheers Me123

Yes I think it's a good day for light rail in the UK and also for councillors of different parties working together for a common good.:p

Quite a lot being talked about this and other developments on skyscrapercity.com (where I first heard about railUKforums as it happens!)

:)
 

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Fantastic news!

Given the success of every new era tram line ever built in this country, it never ceases to amaze me that getting them funding is so difficult!

I hope they do an Edinburgh with the busway and turn into into a tram line later.
 

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Interesting to read of this development which raises a few questions, especially for those of us living within the GMPTE area.

Firstly, why was the congestion charging proposal of last year unofficially billed as the "be all and end all" when as this latest news shows, the major and most costly development of the TIF improvements (Metrolink extensions) can be paid for without TIF money?

Secondly, as the investment if coming from central Government and local taxpayers, this presumably means certain other taxpayer funded services either locally or nationally will now be affected as these funds were not originally destined for GMPTE.

Thirdly, I remain disappointed the GMPTE plan is so heavily strewed towards Metrolink extensions. Due to it's inflexibility, Metrolink is only going to appeal to those residents who either live within walking distance of a tram stop (not line but actual stop) or those who wish to drive to a stop and park up, thereby not necessarily reducing car journeys at all.

I live in Bolton well away from Metrolink reach and therefore would object to such a large amount of my taxes being spent on a system which can't ever benefit me.

Far better monies should be spent on creating express bus lanes from Bolton to Manchester thereby reducing the current 45-75 minute journey times outside of peak times which is enough to put anyone off using the things.

I do like the Metrolink system and I do use it myself socially from time to time when travelling around. But to now see further monies being spent on the extremeties, I do feel somewhat begrudged only a percentage of residents will live near enough to consider using it and of those only a percentage of those will actually use it.

I guess it's capital investment in transport infrastructure outside of London and we should be thankful. But I'd like to know why the authorities felt congestion charging was the "only way" to achieve very similar goals, or at least that was the message coming out.

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Here is a map of what the eventual Metrolink system should look like:
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Bravo to all involved form all political parties and especially the hardwork of the ever diplomatic GMPTE. They have achieved more for their area than has been possible in any other region outside London for decades.

We should all be rightly proud of them and wish full speed to it's construction.

:D All credit to Manchester , shame this does not happen in Sheffield as many want the tram exstended
 

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Timing seems to have been key, in the Last month theyve announced funding of Manchester Metrolink, Midlands trams , Leeds trolleybuses, Birmingham roads contract, Tyne and Wear Metro, Isle of Wight 30 year road funding, HS2, York park and ride, Leeds station, Street Lighting in 7 southern counties adding upto £620m.

Some of these they had already given conditional approval of earlier and giving final approval now, but timing just before an election is everything eh?

Sheffield is hosting the tram-train trial though.
 

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are there any tram lines in the vicinity of preserved railways? If so, they could do diesel/electric tram trains a la Nordhausen (DE)
 

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The Metrolink aside, I can't see any of the above happening any time soon. I suppose that the T&W is a relatively easy one, and that street lighting is rather minor, but most of these are typical Labour "last-ditch" tactics.

As for the Trolleybuses? Leeds needs something, but Trolleybuses aren't it in my opinion. I think it needs a light rail system. Well, might happen in my life-time. Approximately 55 years yet.
 

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are there any tram lines in the vicinity of preserved railways? If so, they could do diesel/electric tram trains a la Nordhausen (DE)

Yes Metrolink is physically connected to the East Lancashire Railway (who have in the past provided traction for track renewals) at the location of the ELR depot near Bury and discussions have taken place with regards to a commuter service on the ELR in weekday peak times. Also it passes by Heaton Park on the western edge (though opposite side to heritage which runs from the east side to the centre) which is the nations only preserved tramway (and soon to expand from sunday only services to daily services using ex Blackpool stock) whip in a connection and you could run specials services to the park like they used to do for schools in the old days.
 
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The Metrolink aside, I can't see any of the above happening any time soon. I suppose that the T&W is a relatively easy one,

Very good news about Tyne and Wear, and yes it will be done. They've just about finished HAymarket so the rest will follow, and when the running ets handed to DB Regio on 1st April that means more investment in the Metrocars.

As for the Trolleybuses? Leeds needs something, but Trolleybuses aren't it in my opinion. I think it needs a light rail system. Well, might happen in my life-time. Approximately 55 years yet.

Leeds will never get a light rail system, as the west end of Newcastle will never get an extension to the Metro. All of this would mean costly underground tunnels and would be a waste of money. I actually think that WYPTE have got it bang on with this, as long as it is kept reliable and inexpensive it should be a very good system for Leeds.
 

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No city would benefit from money spent on its bus services bus service (apart from subsidy for socially necessary services). Spending money on buses over and above socially necessary services gets you approximately zilch apart from some pretty coloured road surfaces and the ability to say you're doing something.
 

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No city would benefit from money spent on its bus services bus service (apart from subsidy for socially necessary services). Spending money on buses over and above socially necessary services gets you approximately zilch apart from some pretty coloured road surfaces and the ability to say you're doing something.

And environmental credibility ;)
 

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We dont know for sure, just hints on routes and a detailed map of timings along certain stretchs which when backward engineered and combined the with the layout of the track's likely influence makes a likely picture. XCH made this speculative map of what the system could look like after the planned but currently unfinanced Trafford and Stockport TC extensions.

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And environmental credibility ;)
What? By spending money on a method of transport that belches out fumes when you'd be better off spending the money on improvements that actually make a difference (eg. non-motorised transport) or other forms of transport that cost less in the long run (we've already discovered Nottingham trams cost less than this proposed bonkers bus network, and the loony busway in Cambridgeshire cost significant amounts more than the alternatives).
 

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Yes tram-train proposals for Marple/Rose hill combined with the Atherton line with a town centre connection between the two similar to Bury/Altrincham (Northern hub proposal with additional trains travelling along the marple line may preclude that however) and for Hadfield/Glossop a tram train that would travel the normal rail routes to just before piccadilly where it would leave the line somewhere between ashbury and ardwick and possibly enter Piccadilly undercroft at street level (avoiding the busy station approach), BR residual just had to alter land disposals because the allignment for that routes still protected.

Also its been floated for a full Metrolink conversion of the Atherton line with a new Manchester city streets crossing to Salford Crescent where it would join the line. Salford wants another Metrolink line possibly North-South connecting the quays in the south with the heavy rail in the north of the borough. tram-trains on the Bolton line has been floated, and residents of Leigh would like to see the guided bus scheme under construction there due top open spring 2013 upgraded to tram rather than bus, though that would present some difficultys of how it traversed from the end of the guideway on the East Lancs through Salford. Trafford Council have floated a minor alteration of the planned trafford line which would connect to Manchester City Airport in addition to the Trafford Centre.

Overall lots of ideas floated, several of which have been financially assesed with positive BCR in various DFT/Network rail/Local Strategic Plans during the last decade. Will be interested to see what is promoted after 2016 when Phase 3B is complete, probably wont be any money available for further extensions until 2018 however.
 
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Wasn't there a plan to convert the Hadfield/Glossop and Marple routes to tram operation as well?

I think there was , but just like the idea of having the Sheffield Victoria - Deepcar section of the woodhead line changed for ( Sheffield ) Supertram running it was knocked on the head as it caused an uproar as people wanted it remaining a " Railway " line :D
 

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What? By spending money on a method of transport that belches out fumes when you'd be better off spending the money on improvements that actually make a difference (eg. non-motorised transport) or other forms of transport that cost less in the long run (we've already discovered Nottingham trams cost less than this proposed bonkers bus network, and the loony busway in Cambridgeshire cost significant amounts more than the alternatives).

Not quite sure what your downer is with Buses. New generation Buses are not the Atlanteans of 1960's and what is the alternative , given the costs for Light Rail systems. Yes, we' d all love to have them but decisions madein the 1950's consigned that dream to history. Some lucky cities will have the odd system but if you live in Bury, the Tram only replaced the train. Get home from Manchester, and you have to get a bus to take you where you live. If you don't go to Manchester, you take the Bus.
Trams and Trains need buses to make them work. In cities such as Liverpool, there are large parts of the City which have no railway stations nearby. Buses are needed to move people to where they want to go. They are part of the solution, not the problem!
 

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Some shots all from within the last 30 days for you

Ashton New Road
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2779/4523129208_7cae41fa60_b.jpg

Ancoats
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Holt Town
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Turnback Siding behind Piccadilly Undercroft
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Trafford Depot
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http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000382.jpg

Trafford
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MCR Road Bridge, Chorlton
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l...ction of Firswood Metrolink Stop/IMG_0394.jpg
http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/... - December 2009 onwards/IMG_1493fixscale.jpg

Chorlton Stop
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_4663.jpg
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Media City Delta
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http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss255/trakkie/MCMetrolinkExtApr2010001.jpg

Media City Stop
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Oldham Mumps being dissambled
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http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac247/cpl_r/DSC02019.jpg

More Chorlton, 12 months ago and today
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3557/3362618793_69c6a667b0_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2734/4463390460_db9dee5a4c_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4463390780_58070cd6b6_b.jpg
 
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Some shots all from within the last 30 days for you

Ashton New Road
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2779/4523129208_7cae41fa60_b.jpg

Ancoats
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4522489311_e9d4f578f7_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/4530357835_ee4e000b95_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/4530356919_bf9f2e1e5b_b.jpg

Holt Town
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4530986104_47a1bbf32b_b.jpg

Turnback Siding behind Piccadilly Undercroft
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_4573.jpg
http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab80/iheartthenew/Image0175.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_4854.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_4860.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_4866.jpg

Trafford Depot
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000380.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000382.jpg

Trafford
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/9774/imageajy.jpg
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9379/imageid.jpg

MCR Road Bridge, Chorlton
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l...ction of Firswood Metrolink Stop/IMG_0394.jpg
http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/... - December 2009 onwards/IMG_1493fixscale.jpg

Chorlton Stop
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_4663.jpg
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_4627.jpg

Media City Delta
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/Johnny_de_Rivative/100_4532.jpg
http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss255/trakkie/MCMetrolinkExtApr2010001.jpg

Media City Stop
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/Geeves8612/P1000368.jpg

Oldham Mumps being dissambled
http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac247/cpl_r/DSC02020.jpg
http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac247/cpl_r/DSC02019.jpg

More Chorlton, 12 months ago and today
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3557/3362618793_69c6a667b0_b.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2734/4463390460_db9dee5a4c_b.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4463390780_58070cd6b6_b.jpg

What a great set of photos, thanks or posting them , Manchester will have a tram system to be proud off soon , shame the goverment does not share that same view of Sheffield :(
 

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Another couple of updates, compiled over on the Skyscraper boards from various posters

Image may be of interest to a lot on here: where Metrolink will pass the Newton Heath Depot, the allignment on the right of the image, left track will remain heavy rail as a spur to the Waste Management facility for freight trains, the right track will be a short single line stretch including Newton Heath and Moston station then doubles again after the waste facility turning just behind the depot. This station due for completion Aug 2011, tracks not been touched here yet.

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Aug update.


This thread deserves a bump, So much has gone one in the last 6 weeks, its actualy quite shocking. Especialy after 15 years of false starts and cancelations.

Item 1 - Political developments

On the 4th of August, contractors for phase 3b where apointed. This means that construction will deffinately begin as phase 3a begins to wind down.

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Phase 3b is the grey dotted lines on this map, the sold grey lines are 3a and are under construction.

Also notice the orange line which has re appeared on the map, this is the trafford centre, an out of town shopping centre about 5 miles from the city centre. This line was dropped from the phase 3 development but since phase 3 is now going ahead as planned, it seems that GMPTE (the local government department who are responsible for delivering Manchesters transport and the owners of the metrolink system) are keen to get this going again. As yet, nothing official has been said.

Item 2 - Improvement works

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The new Bombardier trams are now a common sight in the city centre although at the moment, they are most often seen on the mostly street running Eccles line. This is because there are issues with ride quality when they run on the Altrincham and Bury lines. The issue thought to stem from the wheel profile. GMPTE are currently trailing new wheels on one tram. If this works, the new wheels (actualy its just the tyres) will be rolled out across the fleet.

Metrolink are also in the process of instaling a new line of sight signaling system. This system means that the conventional railway signals will be removed and the trams will be able to run closer together as well as having greater flexibilty when there are large events in the city. The new system uses GPS transceivers fitted to the trams to allow the network controlers to see where each tram is. The system will also power a new passenger infomation sytem which will be much more accurate than the old one and have displays at every station.

The first of the displays was instaled last year but they have only been switched on in the last few weeks.

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No information yet, but at least we know the time down to the second!

Item 3 - Construction Update

The South Manchester Line
This line has the most progress, so much in fact that now it is now rumoured to be open by chirstmas, this year! Its is quite amazing to see, the stations are looking alomost finisished, they all have the platforms in place, as well as the lifts, stairs and ramps. All what is needed now is to instal the platform furnature and landscaping.

The track has been finished for a few months, the only parts left to do is about 3 metres of track to connect it to the altincham line, this will be done on the next 3 sunday evenings/nights starting today.
The overhead line has been instaled on on about half of the lines length. Driver training/ testing is due to begin in september/ october.

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st werberugs - the tempory terminus

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crew rest room

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platform, looks like they got bored building it.

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slightly architectual looking lift and stairs structure

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towards morrisons, did they not order enough masts?

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Firswood, the wires are up, they end a few hundered metres beyond the platforms

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almost finished

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hole in the wall, obviously space for a future.arch What are they gonna do about that gas pipe tho?

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towards kings road, you could amost drive a tram down here

These photos are from our new member- Rob793

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Chorlton station. Originaly the site of a heavy rail station that closed in the 1960's. Re opening in December 2010?

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Wires will probably be up by the end of the week

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The new depot is behind the trees on the left, but for some reason, they have taken the wires down in this section.


Media City

this short 1 stop stub of the eccles line is aparently supposed to open next month. There has been various testing of the line at night for many months but this is the first time one of our members has capured trams on it in the day time.



Oldham and Rochdale line

This line is the conversion of a clapped out heavy rail line to bring it into the metrolink system. It aslo involves the re use of some abandoned rail line.

Last week, the Bury line was closed to enable the track and the overhead line to be connected.



A closer look



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Central park station - built over 5 years ago and finaly opening in 2011

The section of the Oldham line up to central park will open in spring 2011.

The East Manchester Line

And finaly, all roads lead eastwards.

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This tunnel carries the line under a very busy road, and now there is light at the end of it!



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And thats the end, for now!

Thanks to all the contributors and thanks for reading this.

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Wonder if they'll eventually run a service in loop around the centre- maybe they could call it the "Circle Line"? perhaps a further route to the north could be the "Northern" line?
Lizzie 2's Diamond year is in 2012, maybe one the lines could become the "Jubilee" line

(just amuses me that whoever made the map has used the same colours as for Londons lines of the same names)
 

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Theres plans for existing heavy rail services to loop round the city centre stations if Northern Hubs built with its new chord, 5min frequency 15min travel time.
 

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Also it passes by Heaton Park on the western edge (though opposite side to heritage which runs from the east side to the centre) which is the nations only preserved tramway (and soon to expand from Sunday only services to daily services using ex Blackpool stock) whip in a connection and you could run specials services to the park like they used to do for schools in the old days.

Do neither the Birkenhead Tramway nor the National Tramway Museum at Crich count as preserved tramways?
 

yorksrob

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Looking at the map I was excited to see a connection to Leigh. Sadly this appears to be an express busway ! If they're going to spend money can't they at least put in some sort of rail.
 
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