Northern Class 331: Construction/Introduction Updates

[Harvey B]

But the RTT link you sent shows Skipton to Allerton.
Perhaps it's just barriers going back for another.
K

Or they could have just sent it back as its not the right type of unit (im just speculating here)

 

[superkev]

But the RTT link you sent shows Skipton to Allerton.
Perhaps it's just barriers going back for another.
K

I believe 331 002 (3 car from Allerton) and 331 101 (4 car was at Doncaster) are now at Skipton to commence Aire Valley crew training.
K

 

[507021]

331013 is en-route to Edge Hill.

 

[superkev]

331013 is en-route to Edge Hill.

Thanks. Where did it come from.
Has the last 4 car 331 112 been delivered?
Thanks
K

 

[507021]

Thanks. Where did it come from.
Has the last 4 car 331 112 been delivered?
Thanks
K

All 331s, 195001/2 and all 195/1s are being built in Spain. 195003-025 will undergo final assembly at Llanwern.

I don't think 331112 has arrived yet.

 

[Halifaxlad]

Four cars until the platforms are extended for six car trains.

I thought this scheme had been deemed uneccessary due to that these are fitted with ASDO.

 

[superkev]

I thought this scheme had been deemed uneccessary due to that these are fitted with ASDO.

As was mentioned earlier selective door opening is only permissible at intermediate station so we await Leeds Platform zero and possibly Skipton bay. Not sure about Ilkley.
Its sensible that all the doors should have a platform at the end of a journey.
K

 

[IanXC]

As was mentioned earlier selective door opening is only permissible at intermediate station so we await Leeds Platform zero and possibly Skipton bay. Not sure about Ilkley.
Its sensible that all the doors should have a platform at the end of a journey.
K

Ilkley will be fine. Both platforms are in excess of 8x 23 (ie space left over with 2 333s on the same platform).

 

[Halifaxlad]

Ilkley will be fine. Both platforms are in excess of 8x 23 (ie space left over with 2 333s on the same platform).

To say at Ikley Ive seen 3, 333's all in one platform. To run 331's as 6 cars during the peak surely they're isn't going to be enough room.

 

[Harvey B]

To say at Ikley Ive seen 3, 333's all in one platform. To run 331's as 6 cars during the peak surely they're isn't going to be enough room.

was this back in the days when they were 3 car units

 

[IanXC]

To say at Ikley Ive seen 3, 333's all in one platform. To run 331's as 6 cars during the peak surely they're isn't going to be enough room.

There should (or it can be planned) that there is a maximum of 2 sets in the station at any given time. Stacking isn't required as such.

 

[The Northern Star]

Plan for the 9th of September: They should appear on the LIV-BPN services

Please note: Everything is changing at the moment so this is subject to change!

 

[Harvey B]

Anyone have any rough ideas of when they will enter service on the Triangle turns

 

[61653 HTAFC]

To say at Ikley Ive seen 3, 333's all in one platform. To run 331's as 6 cars during the peak surely they're isn't going to be enough room.

This post doesn't seem to make sense: if you've seen 3 333s in one platform (I'll admit I'm sceptical) then surely it would imply that 2 3-car 331s would also fit.

 

[Halifaxlad]

was this back in the days when they were 3 car units

Not so long since actually, a few months ago.

This post doesn't seem to make sense: if you've seen 3 333s in one platform (I'll admit I'm sceptical) then surely it would imply that 2 3-car 331s would also fit.

3, 333's = 12 coaches

3 sets of (6 car 331's (During Peaks)) = 18 coaches

When I saw 3, 4 car 333's at Ikely I reckon you could squeeze another 2 cars onto the end before your end of the platform.

My point was that current planning would have to be changed to take into account the longer train lengths, although I don't know for surely if having 3, 4 car 333's in the same platform at Ikley is a regular thing.

 

[Harvey B]

Not so long since actually, a few months

Thanks

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Not so long since actually, a few months ago.



3, 333's = 12 coaches

3 sets of (6 car 331's (During Peaks)) = 18 coaches

When I saw 3, 4 car 333's at Ikely I reckon you could squeeze another 2 cars onto the end before your end of the platform.

My point was that current planning would have to be changed to take into account the longer train lengths, although I don't know for surely if having 3, 4 car 333's in the same platform at Ikley is a regular thing.

Even dual occupancy is rare at Ilkley. The triple occupancy you report would be extremely rare, if it is permitted at all outside of an emergency situation.

 

[Harvey B]

Even dual occupancy is rare at Ilkley. The triple occupancy you report would be extremely rare, if it is permitted at all outside of an emergency situation.

Even at night when trains are being parked up?

 

[superkev]

Even dual occupancy is rare at Ilkley. The triple occupancy you report would be extremely rare, if it is permitted at all outside of an emergency situation.

There was a daily duty ( may still be so) where an incoming 333 coupled up to one already in the platform and dragged it pan down to Skipton depot. Note it was a drag as 333s have never been approved or needed to work in multiple.
May be of interest.
K

 

[Bantamzen]

Even at night when trains are being parked up?

There are usually only two units stabled overnight to operate the first services to Bradford and Leeds, as the subsequent services arrive from the same. For the weekday extra peak services there are ECS moves from Skipton.

 

[palmersears]

331011 the latest arrival at Edge Hill.

 

[Harvey B]

There are usually only two units stabled overnight to operate the first services to Bradford and Leeds, as the subsequent services arrive from the same. For the weekday extra peak services there are ECS moves from Skipton.

Thanks

 

[Mollman]

Plan for the 9th of September: They should appear on the LIV-BPN services

Please note: Everything is changing at the moment so this is subject to change!

Is that 3 or 4 coaches? Would think 3 is too short myself.

 

[Harvey B]

Is that 3 or 4 coaches? Would think 3 is too short myself.

I think most of if not all 12, 4 car 331s are going to be on this side for the time being until the platforms get extended on the Airedale/Wharfedale lines

 

[507021]

I think most of if not all 12, 4 car 331s are going to be on this side for the time being until the platforms get extended on the Airedale/Wharfedale lines

Correct, all twelve will be used on the east side. They will be swapped for three car units at a later date.

 

[Harvey B]

Correct, all twelve will be used on the east side. They will be swapped for three car units at a later date.

Thanks, anyone have any idea how many 3 car units will be on the east side after the swap? Im thinking there will be between 12 and 20 units after the swap

 

[507021]

Thanks, anyone have any idea how many 3 car units will be on the east side after the swap? Im thinking there will be between 12 and 20 units after the swap

Sixteen, IIRC.

 

[Harvey B]

Sixteen, IIRC.

Thanks

 

[Greybeard33]

Sixteen, IIRC.

Which suggests it should be possible to run a few 6-car formations in the west, until the swap takes place.

 

[js1000]

Plan for the 9th of September: They should appear on the LIV-BPN services

Please note: Everything is changing at the moment so this is subject to change!

Would be surprised. I reckon late September/early October. The west side 195s are suffering faults everyday - often at key stations (i.e. Oxford Road) which Northern will get stung financially in the pocket for causing delays. Until these teething problems are ironed out I doubt Northern will want to take risks.

Which suggests it should be possible to run a few 6-car formations in the west, until the swap takes place.

I can't see 6-car formations between Manchester Airport to Blackpool North with platform capacity at the Airport becoming an increasingly constraining issue. Northern should have ordered more 4 cars and less 3 cars - hindsight's a wonderful thing.