EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[HH]

No, no, you misunderstood. Some bloke down Weatherspoons read it in the Sun.

 

[Clip]

LOL. I don't think I said that. Maybe the difference is a bit subtle.

Why don't you provide me with evidence of how many of the 17.4m actually did any independent research?

Erm you did say that -

Leavers don't do research; research comes to them unbidden - via Facebook. Job's a good 'un!

I didnt make any claim so I dont have to provide you with any evidence to the contrary - if you're going to make such a statement then it is up to you to prove it not for me nor anyone else to disporve it. Thats kind of how these thigns work and why we are in such a bloody mess with it all right now becvause of people making false claims that they cant back up - get it now?

I can point to about 650 people who probably got their facts about leaving the EU from facebook. Or the Dandy. They're easy to find, they are all in one London postcode right now!

Oh I know for sure some people have fallen for the propaganda - I never said anything to the contrary.

All 17 million? No. But some of them?

Well no point commenting on my post then because I was merly asking someone to substantiate their claim that leavers only got their info from facebook. Turn out they didnt really mean it like that, which of course they would say when asked to back up their statement.As usual. A bit like when everyone was saying all leavers are racists they soon changed their tune when they found out that there were some people who were black and even from Eastern European countries who voted leave, to not all leavers are racists but all racists are leavers. See how it works yet?

It is the same as the racists issue, or when people trying to claim that remainers are saying that leavers are stupid or whatever. Nobody is saying that 17.4 million people are racist or stupid etc. But what people are saying is that SOME of that number are, and that number may well have been enough to swing the result.

As I just alluded people did say that till it was pointed out they were wrong - its all these false assumptions and statements from both sides - as elegantly demonstrated in this very thread - that has caused so much disruption and confusion.

Lets face it - I see no reason why people are still trying to convert others to their way because whilst some have changed their minds others simply wont so you are wasting your time and breath in trying to do so in my eyes.

Still its funny to watch some who appear to have a holier than thou attitude both in the press and on this thread as if they have all the answers and the ability to see into the future which makes them so damn bloody right!!

enjoy yourselves though.

 

[Howardh]

Well I saw into the future. Before the referendum I spoke, in front of a crowd, to my MP and suggested something along the lines of "ahem, you may have a slight issue with the RoI/UK border". Nearly three years later....!

 

[LOL The Irony]

I like all these remainers who act like they're better than everyone. It's free entertainment!

 

[Bantamzen]

I like all these remainers who act like they're better than everyone. It's free entertainment!

Really, you are going to resort to playground insults? Well that's up to you, but forgive those of us who have had enough of this after 3 years and actually want to deal with the reality of leaving the EU. Cheers.

 

[WAB]

The PM will resign if she gets her deal through.

https://twitter.com/GlennBBC/status/1110955273743712257

Glenn Campbell @GlennBBC

From a source inside the 1922....
PM will stand down before second stage of Brexit negotiations after deal passed. Said she has heard what colleagues are saying.

This will of course only happen if she makes significant changes to her deal or parliament vote for it to return.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Really, you are going to resort to playground insults?

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

 

[LOL The Irony]

The PM will resign if she gets her deal through.

This is the annoying part. Get rid of her or get a better deal?

 

[507021]

I like all these remainers who act like they're better than everyone.

That is incredibly rich coming from you, considering some of your past postings on this forum.

 

[Howardh]

So she'll go if she gets her deal through, but won't if she doesn't? What parallel universe have i just found myself in? It's Grayling's Law, the worse I am the better it is??

Let's hope Brecow does the decent thing and disallows this stitch-up of a third vote.

 

[Darandio]

David Mundell has just tweeted the following...

PM is driven by a sense of duty and public service. Her decision today reflects again her putting the national interest ahead of personal interest. She remains determined to secure our departure from the EU on an orderly basis and will have my full support in doing so.

The bulls***ometer has just flown off the scale. Seriously fed up with these people thinking everyone in the country has the IQ of a cabbage.

 

[LOL The Irony]

That is incredibly rich coming from you, considering some of your past postings on this forum.

Eh. I don't spend my time bashing the winning side so I'm dandy.

 

[cactustwirly]

Eh. I don't spend my time bashing the winning side so I'm dandy.

If you don't have anything constructive to add to this thread, please refrain from posting!

Hoping there's some deal or transition arrangement before Friday, or else it makes my life a lot more complicated.
I'm working in Europe for some of the summer, so I'm hoping I won't need a work visa!

 

[507021]

I'm dandy.

Good for you.

 

[NoMorePacers]

Whatever the outcome, there probably will be many movies made about Brexit and its process.

 

[WAB]

There are reports that more tory MPs will support her deal if the DUP abstains, which seems unlikely unless a colossal bung is offered.

 

[ainsworth74]

Alright enough. We've ended up with some bickering and mud slinging rather than discussion. Any further posts that aren't discussing the topic will be deleted.

 

[Howardh]

Meanwhile, I wonder what the numbers are if the DUP abstain on May's deal; and all of the ERG support it, I assume it's then depending on the pro-EU Tory dissenters + the Indies vs. anti-EU Labour MP's, and quite frankly I've lost count!

It's still got to get past Bercow and unless it's changed I can't see how he will back down and allow it. May's sacrifice could be pointless.

 

[Howardh]

Whatever the outcome, there probably will be many movies made about Brexit and its process.

An endless film that never finishes?? Never mind a film, it would make a wonderful pantomime. "He's behind you!" "No I'm not...." We could call it the Can-Kicking-Can-Can't" and Theresa can come in and dance to it.


Maybe not.

 

[Geezertronic]

Alright enough. We've ended up with some bickering and mud slinging rather than discussion. Any further posts that aren't discussing the topic will be deleted.

image is a meme of Thriller where Michael Jackson eats popcorn. Meant as a joke

 

[Bantamzen]

Meanwhile, I wonder what the numbers are if the DUP abstain on May's deal; and all of the ERG support it, I assume it's then depending on the pro-EU Tory dissenters + the Indies vs. anti-EU Labour MP's, and quite frankly I've lost count!

It's still got to get past Bercow and unless it's changed I can't see how he will back down and allow it. May's sacrifice could be pointless.

Meanwhile as others have said the scale of hypocrisy from the ERG is signalling a new low in UK politics. I just hope Bercow sticks to his guns and blocks a third try at getting the May deal through (hardcore Brexiteers note, especially when you lament the public having a second vote). However it seems that the government are trying to wrangle a way around to get the third vote through.

 

[Howardh]

BBC's NI correspondent Mark Davenport has tweeted the DUP haven't changed their objection to the deal (so could well still vote it down).

 

[Mag_seven]

Meanwhile as others have said the scale of hypocrisy from the ERG is signalling a new low in UK politics.

Moggy has just been on C4 news saying what a wonderful PM May has been - only a couple of months after voting to oust her!

 

[Giugiaro]

Alright enough. We've ended up with some bickering and mud slinging rather than discussion. Any further posts that aren't discussing the topic will be deleted.

This thread will eventually need to be cleaned up or further split. It's getting harder to know what's going on when after leaving for a while one returns to this thread to read half of the comments just being flame wars...

 

[nidave]

What is the eventual aim ? ..for everyone to be on Berlin time ?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...ing-time-from-2021/ar-BBVfl9w?ocid=spartanntp


This is something that should be down to individual countries to decide - the wrench from the EU will be painful but it is the only alternative to the dictatorship of bureaucracy.

Considering BST was introduced for the war and we are no longer at war - this is not a big deal.

The form of governmental tampering has generally been the institution of Summer Time, advancing the legal time by one hour during the summer months in order to promote greater efficiency in the use of the daylight hours and of artificial lighting; originally introduced as a wartime measure in 1916

and the UK have been trying to abolish it a number of times without the eu

The strongest argument for doing away with Summer Time might however be that it could help deal with certain misconceptions that changes to the clocks can create “extra daylight”. Some years ago this idea came up in a Private Member’s Bill, the British Time (Extra Daylight) Bill of 1995–6 introduced by John Butterfill MP. While this attempt failed, it appeared that the idea that politicians could create extra daylight by legislating for it was unfortunately widespread.

https://www.polyomino.org.uk/british-time/

 

[Bantamzen]

Moggy has just been on C4 news saying what a wonderful PM May has been - only a couple of months after voting to oust her!

Yet the ERG are coming out now saying May's speech to the 1922 Committee was a "pantomime". So many confused messages this evening, I've given up trying to make sense of it.

 

[EM2]

Not twenty-fours ago, the Member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip, the Rt. Hon. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, MP, declared the May deal as an 'appalling deal...a kind of pseudo Brexit'.
Tonight, he says that he will back it.
I wonder what could have changed?

 

[ainsworth74]

I wonder what could have changed?

Having a second chance at the main job after bottling it the first time. Would be my guess.

 

[nidave]

Yet the ERG are coming out now saying May's speech to the 1922 Committee was a "pantomime". So many confused messages this evening, I've given up trying to make sense of it.

Whatever will increase their bank balances - they dont give a stuff about anything else - especially the country - yet people think they are great.

 

[Howardh]

Not twenty-fours ago, the Member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip, the Rt. Hon. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, MP, declared the May deal as an 'appalling deal...a kind of pseudo Brexit'.
Tonight, he says that he will back it.
I wonder what could have changed?

Which of his two faces said that?