EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[dgl]

All I will say is that, people who you pay to be your friend never are.

 

[Bantamzen]

All I will say is that, people who you pay to be your friend never are.

Don't you mean people who pay with other people's money to be your friend never are....?

 

[YorkshireBear]

Another quote from Strasbourg today, if we do not leave on the 29th March it will be the end of democracy.

How do we allow people to say such divisive things like this, UKIP followers will believe him??? The vote never said 29th March 2019, the government is not making moves to cancel Brexit and democracy is doing its job in preventing the steam rollering through of policy. I don't understand how democracy will end.

 

[furnessvale]

If he did, how much more damage could he do before there was any chance of getting rid of him?

Following a general election, 5 years, exactly the same as removing Corbyn* and his brand of politics should he ever be elected.

If Brexit is stopped, how many years will elapse before the people are given the opportunity to WIN another referendum?

*In my statement about Corbyn I make the BIG assumption that the usual tactic of Marxists of stopping future elections is not implemented.

 

[nlogax]

*In my statement about Corbyn I make the BIG assumption that the usual tactic of Marxists of stopping future elections is not implemented.

I don't think it's -that- big an assumption. Even Corbyn wouldn't be so apocalyptically dumb as to going down the route of stopping future elections. He does appear to have at least a small grasp on reality.

(famous last words, right? )

 

[Bantamzen]

Keeping in character, having initially indicating that he'd now back May's deal, Rees-Mogg has now started back-pedalling and found himself a nice little scapegoat:

Senior Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg says he could now back Theresa May's deal if she can win the support of the DUP.

Mr Rees-Mogg said he had supported a no-deal exit from the EU when that was the "default position".

But he now says the government has "backed away" from that option, leaving what he described as a "hierarchy of choices".

"Leaving without a deal would be my top choice now, then you come to Mrs May’s deal, then you come to not leaving at all. And Mrs May’s deal is better than not leaving at all."

He added that his support is dependent on the DUP backing May's deal.

"I view them as the protectors of the union that is the United Kingdom, which is more important than our relationships with the European Union, and the backstop is difficult for unionists."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-47696409 (@ 10:31 27/03)

Even hard core leavers must be getting to see what a slimeball this man is by now?

 

[Howardh]

Keeping in character, having initially indicating that he'd now back May's deal, Rees-Mogg has now started back-pedalling and found himself a nice little scapegoat:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-47696409 (@ 10:31 27/03)

Even hard core leavers must be getting to see what a slimeball this man is by now?

They (remainers/leavers alike) are even on the telly stating they will vote for May's deal as it's the "least worst option".

For goodness sakes, Britain, wake up. We are now reduced to taking the least worst option, in the land of pacer trains we have a pacer deal concocted by a pacer government.

 

[Howardh]

Following a general election, 5 years, exactly the same as removing Corbyn* and his brand of politics should he ever be elected.

If Brexit is stopped, how many years will elapse before the people are given the opportunity to WIN another referendum?

*In my statement about Corbyn I make the BIG assumption that the usual tactic of Marxists of stopping future elections is not implemented.

If Brexit is "won" how many years will elapse before the people are given the opportunity to WIN another referendum? If it all goes wrong - and it will (look who's in charge, the lot that couldn't organise a traffic jam on a Monday morning) how long until we get the chance to put it right? Never??

 

[Bantamzen]

They (remainers/leavers alike) are even on the telly stating they will vote for May's deal as it's the "least worst option".

For goodness sakes, Britain, wake up. We are now reduced to taking the least worst option, in the land of pacer trains we have a pacer deal concocted by a pacer government.

I think its worse than that, someone's found the missing 141s and suggesting we bring them in because its either them or nothing....

 

[Howardh]

I think its worse than that, someone's found the missing 141s and suggesting we bring them in because its either them or nothing....

Will the Northern Irish ride on them??

 

[Bantamzen]

Will the Northern Irish ride on them??

Not unless we cough up another couple of billion....

 

[edwin_m]

Will the Northern Irish ride on them??

No, they have some rather nice new units...

Will the DUP start demanding that Britain re-gauges to 5'3"?

 

[Howardh]

No, they have some rather nice new units...

Will the DUP start demanding that Britain re-gauges to 5'3"?

Why have rail when we can go back to horse and cart? Notice that Geoff Marshall is now covering Ireland and the pre-video showed some spotless and gorgeous Irish trains, deffo on my must-do list. Pity only around 30 miles is electrified though (??).

 

[Bletchleyite]

Why have rail when we can go back to horse and cart? Notice that Geoff Marshall is now covering Ireland and the pre-video showed some spotless and gorgeous Irish trains, deffo on my must-do list. Pity only around 30 miles is electrified though (??).

Their DMUs are quite nice. They're a bit like Class 175s, but not, er, rubbish.

 

[krus_aragon]

Will the DUP start demanding that Britain re-gauges to 5'3"?

<sarcasm>
Northern Ireland must not be treated differently to the rest of the United Kingdom: Their railways must be privatised forthwith! :P
</sarcasm>

 

[thejuggler]

Keeping in character, having initially indicating that he'd now back May's deal, Rees-Mogg has now started back-pedalling and found himself a nice little scapegoat:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-47696409 (@ 10:31 27/03)

Even hard core leavers must be getting to see what a slimeball this man is by now?

There's also the insidious approach of him suggesting he will back May's deal if it is tied in to her announcing her resignation. Thats should not be a factor in the decision. Good old Robin Day had it right. All politicians are 'here today, gone tomorrow'. He only has to bide his time and she will be gone in good time, Brexit lasts far longer.

 

[Giugiaro]

Mutant Lemming answered that for me. I'll add one thing however. When my dad was yet to become a citizen, he didn't fly off to his homeland, vote and fly back.

Voting should still be possible at the local Embassy or Consulate unless the UK has a different attitude towards expats. We usually say that we (the Portuguese) are 10 Million, but our law protects 2,2 Million expats that are not living in the country and their political participation has a special status in Portuguese elections, with two extra constituencies, one for Europe, and another for the rest of the world. To a certain degree, descendants are also covered by Portuguese law and citizenship if they so desire. It's an extra 4,8 Million people.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Voting should still be possible at the local Embassy or Consulate unless the UK has a different attitude towards expats. We usually say that we (the Portuguese) are 10 Million, but our law protects 2,2 Million expats that are not living in the country and their political participation has a special status in Portuguese elections, with two extra constituencies, one for Europe, and another for the rest of the world. To a certain degree, descendants are also covered by Portuguese law and citizenship if they so desire. It's an extra 4,8 Million people.

OK but if you leave a country, you should loose the right to vote on it's matters. If I move to a place covered by the Fleetwood & Lancaster constituency, I can no longer vote on matters concerning Tatton.

 

[Howardh]

OK but if you leave a country, you should loose the right to vote on it's matters. If I move to a place covered by the Fleetwood & Lancaster constituency, I can no longer vote on matters concerning Tatton.

An excellent argument for bringing in PR.

 

[Giugiaro]

That's the Portuguese stance of its own workings and people. Not applicable to Municipalities as your case also states, but for the head of state and parliament all citizens, living in Portugal or not, are eligible to vote. They also pay Income Tax and contribute to Social Security... so I guess it's fair.

 

[LOL The Irony]

An excellent argument for bringing in PR.

I don't see why I should vote on matters concerning somewhere I no longer live, be it a constituency or country.

 

[Jonny]

Let me get this right, anyone from the UK living abroad can't have a vote? So that means our armed services living and working abroad short or long-term can't have a vote? Anyone from the UK volunteering to teach or nurse in deprived areas can't have a vote? Then when they return the political map is changed and they haven't had a say?

As it stands, there is a 15-year cutoff for overseas voting. Also it is circumstances-dependent whether they pay UK taxes as there is no hard-and-fast rule on that one either.

A bit like Jacob changing is mind to back the deal?

I think the Queen song title "Under Pressure" comes to mind.

 

[GusB]

Referring to UK General Elections:

Who is eligible to vote?
To vote at the UK general election you must be registered to vote and:

• 18 years of age or over on polling day
• be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen
• be resident at an address in the UK (or a UK citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)
• not be legally excluded from voting

The following cannot vote in a UK Parliament election:

• members of the House of Lords
• EU citizens (other than UK, Republic of Ireland, Cyprus and Malta) resident in the UK
• anyone other than British, Irish and qualifying Commonwealth citizens
• convicted persons detained in pursuance of their sentences, excluding contempt of court (though remand prisoners, unconvicted prisoners and civil prisoners can vote if they are on the electoral register)
• anyone found guilty within the previous five years of corrupt or illegal practices in connection with an election

Find out more information about who is eligible to vote

Source: https://www.yourvotematters.co.uk/how-am-i-represented/uk-parliament

This discussion might be better off in its own thread.

 

[EM2]

OK but if you leave a country, you should loose the right to vote on it's matters. If I move to a place covered by the Fleetwood & Lancaster constituency, I can no longer vote on matters concerning Tatton.

So the Government of the country of which you are a citizen will make decisions that directly affect you, such as how much state pension you receive, what healthcare your host country may or may not offer, whether your driving licence will be valid (because the two nations will come to agreement on these sort of things) but you think that you shouldn't have a say in who that Government is?

 

[Howardh]

I don't see why I should vote on matters concerning somewhere I no longer live, be it a constituency or country.

Nobody's forcing you to.

 

[furnessvale]

If Brexit is "won" how many years will elapse before the people are given the opportunity to WIN another referendum? If it all goes wrong - and it will (look who's in charge, the lot that couldn't organise a traffic jam on a Monday morning) how long until we get the chance to put it right? Never??

Never say never. At a guess, I would say about 40 years would be long enough to see if the experiment works.

 

[LOL The Irony]

So the Government of the country of which you are a citizen will make decisions that directly affect you, such as how much state pension you receive, what healthcare your host country may or may not offer, whether your driving licence will be valid (because the two nations will come to agreement on these sort of things) but you think that you shouldn't have a say in who that Government is?

No. I left that country so I shouldn't decide.

 

[Jonny]

This came up in my facebook feed.

Image Contents:
LESSON 1 - DEMOCRACY IN THE EUROPEAN UNION
Danish Maastricht Treaty Referendum (1992) NO 51% - 49% YES = VOTE AGAIN

Irish Nice Treaty Referendum (2001) NO 54% - 46% YES = VOTE AGAIN

French EU Constitution Referendum (2005) NO 55% - 45% YES = IGNORE

Dutch EU Constitution Referendum (2005) NO 62% - 3?% = YES IGNORE AS WELL

Irish Lisbon Treaty Referendum (2008) NO 53% - 47% YES = VOTE AGAIN

Greek Bailout Referendum (2015) NO 61% - 39% YES = JUST IGNORE

Dutch EU - Ukraine Deal Referendum (2016) NO 61% - 39% YES = IGNORE AGAIN

Don't let them subvert our democracy.
(Contents end. All-capitals as per image)

A brief summary would be vote again on three occasions, and ignore the outcome on four others.

 

[DarloRich]

This came up in my facebook feed.

i think we have found the source of the problem................................

Do you, for instance, look into these referendum any further or do you simply absorb the headline as affirming your views?

As a starter, the Irish Taoiseach ( that is the Irish PM) took the result of the first referendum to Europe and renegotiated a different response. That, coupled with the financial crash led to a yes vote in the 2nd referendum.

That is a mature and sensible approach to political problems not the headless chicken, INGERLUND, kipper approach of spouting silly slogans.

So yeah, all a conspiracy.

 

[Jonny]

i think we have found the source of the problem................................

What, a precise summary of historical facts turned up? Vote again or just ignore is a standard EU dirty trick.