EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Carlisle]

Pretty much everyone I’ve spoken to has indicated they would vote UKIP in any EU election.

Thats just not an accurate reflection at all, even my own mother living in a strong UKIP area and who supported leave now thinks she was mistaken and should have backed remain.

 

[bramling]

I'm English and have antipathy towards England!! Seriously though, we have the "left" screaming to end austerity and replace with "tax and spend" here in England (and the whole of the UK for that matter) - so what's it to be? More austerity or spend a bit of cash on the services we need?
As for open warfare, I offer you Leadsom/Bercow, May/Rest Of The Known Universe...

The left can kick and scream to “end austerity” all they like, but that doesn’t mean people will vote for it if they think it will be *them* paying the tax - especially if people outside Scotland form the idea that it might be England/Wales paying the tax and Scotland getting the spend!

If Labour had someone like Blair at the helm (not Blair himself though!) then they would be likely to secure a pretty decent win, and probably wouldn’t even need to consider the SNP. As it is, Labour have tried to dispose of their leader at least once, and have just recently had a load of MPs visibly leave saying they don’t like the way the party is going, along with an ongoing racism scandal. This is all alongside a leader who is a throwback to the 70s and a shadow chancellor who is pretty much Marxist. Both parties are in a dire state!

 

[MidlandsChap]

It was on 1,520,000 ish when I posted the figures earlier.

It's now 1,984,360 with the same
1,261,367 from the UK - I think something's bugged out.

How are you able to check the list of countries within the petition?

 

[dosxuk]

How are you able to check the list of countries within the petition?

The raw data is available to view from the petition page. Although because of the server issues they've disabled the country / constituency totals in that data and it's still showing the same numbers as yesterday.

 

[Dave1987]

The left can kick and scream to “end austerity” all they like, but that doesn’t mean people will vote for it if they think it will be *them* paying the tax - especially if people outside Scotland form the idea that it might be England/Wales paying the tax and Scotland getting the spend!

If Labour had someone like Blair at the helm (not Blair himself though!) then they would be likely to secure a pretty decent win, and probably wouldn’t even need to consider the SNP. As it is, Labour have tried to dispose of their leader at least once, and have just recently had a load of MPs visibly leave saying they don’t like the way the party is going, along with an ongoing racism scandal. This is all alongside a leader who is a throwback to the 70s and a shadow chancellor who is pretty much Marxist. Both parties are in a dire state!

Now that is something I can agree with you on somewhat, but not entirely! May cut the police budget to the bone but then refused to accept any culpability in the rises in knife crime until the chancellor stepped in and gave the police a load of money to fund more officers to deal with the problem. But May showed her weakness by chickening out of giving workers all the rights recommended by the Taylor review. But yes both parties are in a dire state.

 

[Dave1987]

I do wonder what those nasty businesses (IMO) called Uber and Deliveroo will do when after Brexit there isn't a plentiful supply of cheap labour willing to work utterly ridiculous hours for sod all. Although UK productivity is still shockingly bad. If we have to have Brexit the Government should be focused solely on enabling those at the bottom to earn more, not just getting them into any kind of work to make their figures look good.

 

[AM9]

I do wonder what those nasty businesses (IMO) called Uber and Deliveroo will do when after Brexit there isn't a plentiful supply of cheap labour willing to work utterly ridiculous hours for sod all. Although UK productivity is still shockingly bad. If we have to have Brexit the Government should be focused solely on enabling those at the bottom to earn more, not just getting them into any kind of work to make their figures look good.

We've already got that. Every time a Government minister trumpets that there are more people in employment than ever before, they are including EU workers here at the time and counting non-jobs like Ebayers importing a few items from China then selling them online to others, plus those who drive around in their cars not insured for business purposes etc..

 

[Jonny]

The BBC just rated the chances of the deal getting through Parliament at the third time of asking as rather less than zero.

Given that we have to do a "pointless" euro-election to get a long enough extension to do anything else, I wonder if the elected Euro-MPs should be asked to convene as some sort of grand tribunal to identify new options, and any acceptable to Parliament would then be put to the public.

Having only just caught up on this, perhaps we should skip the elections and get ourselves kicked out for failing to hold them.

 

[dosxuk]

Having only just caught up on this, perhaps we should skip the elections and get ourselves kicked out for failing to hold them.

If Somerset failed to run a vote for a general election, would it find itself kicked out of the UK?

 

[DynamicSpirit]

Anyone else notice the irony that Theresa May, while claiming that she is respecting democracy and the will of the people, is trying to make sure that we leave the EU in time to prevent the UK from having any elections to elect representatives in Europe...

 

[DerekC]

Petition's on 3,420,000 odd. Doesn't seem to have slowed down yet! However the hotspots are the obvious ones - London, Oxford, Cambridge, York, Warwick, Exeter, Bristol.

 

[Giugiaro]

It seems the divide from the referendum between England-Wales and Scotland-NI as faded away on this petition, though NI still isn't adhering that much to the petition

 

[SHD]

If Somerset failed to run a vote for a general election, would it find itself kicked out of the UK?

And turned into Reesmoggshire?

 

[bnm]

If Somerset failed to run a vote for a general election, would it find itself kicked out of the UK?

My part of the world. I'm all for the Republic of Somerset.

First job on secession. Deport Jacob Rees Mogg.

 

[Groningen]

That statement by Theresa May of 4 minutes giving blaim to Parlement 2 days ago. Was it wise or was it an insult of Westminster?

 

[dgl]

That statement by Theresa May of 4 minutes giving blaim to Parlement 2 days ago. Was it wise or was it an insult of Westminster?

About as wise as poking a polar bear with a stick.

 

[krus_aragon]

It hinted at the same frustration that John Major had toward the "b******s" in his party that were defying voting whips and causing trouble for his government. And Major had a slim majority without needing a leg-up from another party.

 

[dosxuk]

That statement by Theresa May of 4 minutes giving blaim to Parlement 2 days ago. Was it wise or was it an insult of Westminster?

There'll be a lot of surprised faces if she manages to gain any votes for her deal when she eventually brings it back. Several previous supporters saying after that speech they won't be supporting her any more. Even the chief whip, who's job it is to get MPs to vote along the party guidelines has been publicly staying he has no faith in the leadership after her speech. I've seen a few comments today saying the only person who hasn't admitted May's reign is over is May herself.

 

[Howardh]

There'll be a lot of surprised faces if she manages to gain any votes for her deal when she eventually brings it back. Several previous supporters saying after that speech they won't be supporting her any more. Even the chief whip, who's job it is to get MPs to vote along the party guidelines has been publicly staying he has no faith in the leadership after her speech. I've seen a few comments today saying the only person who hasn't admitted May's reign is over is May herself.

I suppose if her "performance" leads to A50 being revoked, I would subscribe to a crowdfund for her statue!

Many a conspiracist has suggested it's all part of a plan, and going to plan. Admittedly it's a bit like a team chasing 250 to win and they leave 30 off the last over...but if they get there who cares!!

*Produce a plan hated by all sides of the House which leads to it getting dropped, and they can't find an alternative so we have to revoke A50 as they voted no-deal down....*

Played, Jim Hacker and Sir Humphrey, well played.

 

[Senex]

There'll be a lot of surprised faces if she manages to gain any votes for her deal when she eventually brings it back. Several previous supporters saying after that speech they won't be supporting her any more. Even the chief whip, who's job it is to get MPs to vote along the party guidelines has been publicly staying he has no faith in the leadership after her speech. I've seen a few comments today saying the only person who hasn't admitted May's reign is over is May herself.

But until she does there's nothing that can be done. Where are the traditional Tory men in grey suits when you need them? Or is she so stubborn and convinced or her own rightness that even they wouldn't be able to get her to go?

 

[Groningen]

In The Times of yesterday i read that shortage of NHS staff will rise and rise in the future.

 

[takno]

It seems the divide from the referendum between England-Wales and Scotland-NI as faded away on this petition, though NI still isn't adhering that much to the petition

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It's worth switching to the % of constituents view, since some of the big constituencies in Scotland are actually quite small in terms of numbers of constituents. Even then around half of Scotland's population lives in the wee tiny constituencies that are the darkest colour. Geographical maid are even less use up here than they are in the UK generally

 

[kermit]

Petition to ditch Article 50 looking quite likely to reach 4 million by tomorrow. Is there any sign of a similar level of support for No Deal?

 

[dosxuk]

Petition to ditch Article 50 looking quite likely to reach 4 million by tomorrow. Is there any sign of a similar level of support for No Deal?

They're too busy marching down from Sunderland to sign any silly petitions.

 

[kermit]

They're too busy marching down from Sunderland to sign any silly petitions.

Yes, perhaps dozens of them I believe.

 

[DanDaDriver]

Yes, perhaps dozens of them I believe.

We’ll if they’ve been conned into paying £50 they may as well take the walk...

 

[dosxuk]

We’ll if they’ve been conned into paying £50 they may as well take the walk...

Yeah, but how much are the people's vote lot charging to attend their rally tomorrow?

 

[DanDaDriver]

Yeah, but how much are the people's vote lot charging to attend their rally tomorrow?

Do you want the answer?

 

[bramling]

There'll be a lot of surprised faces if she manages to gain any votes for her deal when she eventually brings it back. Several previous supporters saying after that speech they won't be supporting her any more. Even the chief whip, who's job it is to get MPs to vote along the party guidelines has been publicly staying he has no faith in the leadership after her speech. I've seen a few comments today saying the only person who hasn't admitted May's reign is over is May herself.

Regardless of her speech, being cross about a speech is no way to treat such an important vote. If they were going to vote against because they don’t like the deal then fine, but it’s bad form for someone to be planning to vote for and then changing there mind on the back of a speech, no matter how ill-advised that speech may have been.

 

[Jonny]

Petition to ditch Article 50 looking quite likely to reach 4 million by tomorrow. Is there any sign of a similar level of support for No Deal?

They are probably all bots.