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Return London -> Gillingham where only the return is on HS1

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swaldman

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I'm planning to visit friends in Gillingham in a few days. For various reasons I'll want to go there from Victoria but return to Stratford. This means that the return trip will be on HS1, but the outbound won't be.
Is it possible for me to buy a return ticket at Victoria station that lets me do this? Can I buy it from a machine?

Thank you.
 
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You can't buy a ticket that is valid on the "classic" lines one way, and on HS1 on the return, from any machine or online.

The way that a journey like this should be made, without overpaying, is to buy the ordinary "not via HS1" ticket and then to obtain either change-of-route excess (to "Plus High Speed"), or a HS1 upgrade ticket.

It is perfectly permissible to obtain the excess or upgrade onboard the train - without penalty - but if you wish, you can obtain the excess at a ticket office (or earlier train) before getting on the HS1 train.

The cost of the excess, for one portion of a return, is half the difference between the appropriate return fares. For example, if you had an Off-Peak Return from London Terminals to Gillingham, route 'not via HS1', which costs £28.00 without a Railcard, you'd excess that to the Off-Peak Return, route 'Plus High Speed', costing £31.90. The difference is £3.90, thus you'd pay £1.95.

The difference payable will vary depending on the exact ticket you hold - e.g. for an Off-Peak Day Return it would be £2.05, for an Anytime Day Return it would be £2.95, for a (Weekend) Super Off-Peak Day Return it would be £2.00, and for a Weekender ticket it would also be £2.00.

Of course, if you travel during a time where the ticket isn't valid (e.g. on an Off-Peak Day Return before 09:30) then the difference would be to the appropriate ticket, as valid at the time of travel. That may be more, or less, than I've indicated above.

The HS1 upgrade ticket costs more than any of the above amounts, therefore ask for a change of route excess as opposed to the separate "upgrade" ticket. If you're sold the more expensive "upgrade" ticket then pay it at the time (if the member of staff insists), but contact Southeastern afterwards to recover the difference.
 

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You’ve got 3 choices:

Buy the ‘not via HS’ ticket and excess the return portion to ‘+HS’. This will cost half the difference between the price of the two fares. Excess tickets can only be sold at ticket offices or onboard so you might have to shop around.

Buy the ‘not via HS’ ticket and buy a HS supplement. The supplement is £4.10 iirc. Some ticket machines at stations served by HS trains sell the supplements, I don’t know if the machines at Gillingham do.

Buy the ‘ plus High Speed’ ticket which is valid via the classic route as well.
 

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They can definitely be bought onboard the train. That is an undeniable right as per the NRCoT.

Agreed although I rather suspect an Onboard Supervisor on the HS service will try to sell a supplement rather than an excess.
 

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Agreed although I rather suspect an Onboard Supervisor on the HS service will try to sell a supplement rather than an excess.
If they try to do so, and it costs more than an excess, then we are potentially in the same hot water as the Boundary Zone fare case!
 

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Agreed although I rather suspect an Onboard Supervisor on the HS service will try to sell a supplement rather than an excess.

What's the difference? Apart from the price?

I see now that there are Advance tickets available for both routes, so I shall try to go that route and thus avoid the whole mess.
 

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What's the difference? Apart from the price?

I see now that there are Advance tickets available for both routes, so I shall try to go that route and thus avoid the whole mess.
The only difference is the price.

Indeed, if there's any reason for single-leg pricing, it's messes like this! (although the non-availability of change of route excesses online or at TVMs is also very silly).

For most journeys the price is 'correct', but it appears they haven't taken into account the face that there is peak-flow pricing - i.e. certain tickets cost more in one direction than the other.
 
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