LNER 225 Failure (01/02)

[GrimShady]

A mate of mine was on a south bound service from Edinburgh to Kings Cross today when the 225 set lost power just after Morpeth. According to him they managed to set off again when suddenly the brakes came on hard and apparently the doors flew open!

It seems the 91 went pop with the cab being full of smoke.

Finally arrived two hours late in Newcastle after being dragged.

 

[sjpowermac]

A mate of mine was on a south bound service from Edinburgh to Kings Cross today when the 225 set lost power just after Morpeth. According to him they managed to set off again when suddenly the brakes came on hard and apparently the doors flew open!

It seems the 91 went pop with the cab being full of smoke.

Finally arrived two hours late in Newcastle after being dragged.

Maybe 1E02 05:48 Edinburgh to KGX, looks like it was canned at Newcastle:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y70214/2019/02/01/advanced

Reason given: ‘due to a problem with the overhead line power collection equipment (M1).’

How did your mate know the cab was full of smoke?

 

[sjpowermac]

LNER twitter post about the incident here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/LNER/status/1091246282017001472

‘This train was cancelled as it has an issue with the on-board safety locking system for the doors. The train had to be pulled in to the station.’

 

[nat67]

Which have worked diagrams of around 1000 miles a day for the past 30 years...

So have a lot of loco and unit classes and they behave better than a 91.

 

[sjpowermac]

So have a lot of loco and unit classes and they behave better than a 91.

To be honest, I think the East Coast would have been better with a fleet of Class 89s. The Class 91 being designed for 140mph ended up with some innovative design features that weren’t needed for 125mph running.

I’m struggling the think of any other loco class that have put in the same mileage as the Class 91s, unless you count Class 43 power cars. I know the XC 47s did a lot of miles but they didn’t exactly cover themselves in glory...

Anyhow, it will be interesting to hear if anything more comes to light about the door problem, it sounds like a serous incident from what the OP said.

 

[GrimShady]

Maybe 1E02 05:48 Edinburgh to KGX, looks like it was canned at Newcastle:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y70214/2019/02/01/advanced

Reason given: ‘due to a problem with the overhead line power collection equipment (M1).’

How did your mate know the cab was full of smoke?

According to him it was on the PA.

I shall enquire further.

 

[43096]

So have a lot of loco and unit classes and they behave better than a 91.

You really need to do some research on this rather than just posting groundless assertions.

Other than HSTs, I cannot think of any type that has done as a high a mileage over such a long period. Indeed the Pendolino fleet is probably the only equivalent among newer types. Reliability-wise, and looking at facts,
in the Modern Railways "Golden Spanners" the 91+Mark 4 fleet was more reliable (just) than all the HST fleets (and three times as reliable as the GWR HSTs), and roughly the same as the Pendolinos and West Coast Voyagers.

 

[Highlandspring]

Reported as 91116 having pantograph issues; no suggestion that any doors “flew open” that I can see.

 

[sjpowermac]

Reported as 91116 having pantograph issues; no suggestion that any doors “flew Open” that I can see.

Many thanks for the additional info.

 

[GrimShady]

Reported as 91116 having pantograph issues; no suggestion that any doors “flew open” that I can see.

Only reporting what I was told.

 

[Suraggu]

Doors don't automatically open on Mk.4's, they can lose Interlock on the doors for various reasons however, eg Statcon not working.

 

[hexagon789]

A mate of mine was on a south bound service from Edinburgh to Kings Cross today when the 225 set lost power just after Morpeth. According to him they managed to set off again when suddenly the brakes came on hard and apparently the doors flew open!

It seems the 91 went pop with the cab being full of smoke.

Finally arrived two hours late in Newcastle after being dragged.

Having read up on some stuff, I'm thinking a TDM fault caused the brakes to come garden on. Whether the doors did indeed open or not though, I don't think they are wired into the TDM but rather the FDM system.

 

[GrimShady]

Having read up on some stuff, I'm thinking a TDM fault caused the brakes to come garden on. Whether the doors did indeed open or not though, I don't think they are wired into the TDM but rather the FDM system.

I was reading some of Fireman Fred Wagstaffs tales on another site. According to Fred, he was asked by Control to pass a red and couple up to another failed 225 set to push them forward. Control abruptly told him not to connect the TDM as it it would unlock the doors. He had to push the train with his second man in the cab of the failed set and use hand signals.

So yeah quite possibly the TDM may have interfered with the door locks.

 

[221129]

There was a loss of door Interlock but nothing about the doors flying open.

 

[whhistle]

At 0735 1E02 came ot a stand.
Following an investigation, the driver reported seeing smoke from the loco and was unable to lower pantograph from the DVT. The driver had to do walk back to the other end of the train to manually do this with assistance from the maintenance. 1E02 was then declared a failure.

then...

1E02 is at a stand at Little Benton (North of Heaton depot) with a loss of line light and interlock

and then...

As a result of this failure, the power was switched off, which resulted in units around Newcastle coming to a stand.

 

[hexagon789]

I was reading some of Fireman Fred Wagstaffs tales on another site. According to Fred, he was asked by Control to pass a red and couple up to another failed 225 set to push them forward. Control abruptly told him not to connect the TDM as it it would unlock the doors. He had to push the train with his second man in the cab of the failed set and use hand signals.

So yeah quite possibly the TDM may have interfered with the door locks.

That was exactly where I got the idea from!