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What is under Southampton Tunnel

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Domeyhead

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Hi I posted the following note in another forum and received very little response, so this is my first post on this forum.

The trackbed of Southampton Tunnel is being lowered in connection with gauge improvements related to freight traffic to and from the port, but it is an almost forgotten fact that there is actually the remains of another tunnel UNDER the rail tunnel dating from around 1790.
The Salisbury and Southampton canal constructed an 850 yard tunnel - (later reduced to a 550 yard tunnel because of poor workmanship) which was hardly used and soon fell into disuse and became blocked at both ends. When the London and Southampton Railway (later the LSWR) built the rail tunnel it crossed the canal obliquely in the middle and only one foot above the canal tunnel roof. To prevent future rail tunnel collapse, spoil from the rail workings were thrown down into the canal tunnel to create a rubble heap up to the canal tunnel ceiling. However this measure proved partially satisfactory due to saturation of the clay so to prevent rail tunnel subsidence the canal tunnel was re-entered and a series of galleries constructed to effectively strengthen the canal tunnel and thereby safeguard the rail tunnel.
As far as I can tell there has only been one minor collapse of the canal tunnel since the 1850s and that much of it remains hidden underground and virtually forgotten, but it is still down there.
it occurrs to me that there must be maintenance access to the old tunnel from somewhere - possibly within Southampton Rail tunnel itself. Does anyone have any knowledge of this? Or photographs, or documented descriptions of what remains down there?
For those rail enthusiasts with an affinity for canals the canal's western portal was about 100 yards north of the rail tunnel (just the other side of the BBC studios) and the eastern portal was to the south of the rail tunnel where East Park is today. There is still a Canal Walk near Debenhams for those wondering why it is there
This piece of history seems to have been totally forgotten - it will be a shame if the one and only opportunity to reexplore this industrial archeaology is missed.
 
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Might explain the atrocious condition of the ballast and formation in that area. That is one wet tunnel.
 

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The eastern portal (at Northam) was badly damaged by a bomb in I think autumn 1940. Trains were diverted via Terminus, the docks system and then back on to the main at Millbrook.
 

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I distinctly remember going through the Southampton tunnel sometime in the 1980's when it was under repair, with simgle line working, and noticing the narrow gauge contractor's railway they were using to fix it. I wonder if they will be employing a similar NG line this time around?
 

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Hi all. You may be interested in this page from the BBC Hampshire website regarding the Southampton tunnel..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/hampshire/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8383000/8383071.stm
Above linked BBC article said:
The railway was completed in June 1847 but because of delays in construction the tunnel did not open until August of that year.
For the first four months, passengers were taken across the town by horse drawn omnibuses - Showing that replacement bus services are nothing new.
:lol::lol::lol:

Many thanks for the info (DomeyHead) and that link (NeilWeb)...I never thought that they double-decked owt in the 1800's! :D
 

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This lives under Scum Tunnel...

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Sorry being Ex-Pompey I just couldn't help it!
 

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In the early 1970's the kitchen floor in the Marlands Building then used as a Juvenile Court and where the BBC car park is today collapsed into the canal tunnel.
I was able to go down into the canal tunnel which was brick lined and still held water. There was a footpath along the side of the tunnel on the railway side and the tunnel was at about the same depth as the railway.
From the angle of the tunnel to the railway I would have said they met half way along New Road.
I have not checked lately but there used to be a small bricked up archway in the grass bank at the side of Palmerston Road between North Front and the railway which I believe was the eastern entrance to the canal tunnel.
As a result of the collapse and the exact location of the western end of the tunnel being established it was thought that a bungalow next to the railway and believed to have always been part of the railway was infact part of the canel and built as a tunnel keepers cottage.
 
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Domeyhead

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Brilliant thanks for the info - this confirms the rumours! I think I'll give Paul Clifton a call at the BBC as this has all the makings of a news interest story - especially as the former western portal of the canal tunnel is estimated to be under the BBC's current premises!
 

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Seeing the drivers eye view of the tunnel reminded me that if you have a chance to watch the 1937 Will Hay film OH MR PORTER if you watch the film running behind the opening captions, and it is run through twice, you will see a drivers eye view in the Southampton tunnel in the 1930s. It runs from Northam and finishes as the train comes out at the western end, you get a glimpse of the old Central Station clock tower and the old power station off to the left.
 
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