Copenhagen

[route101]

Just back from Copenhagen.

Impressed with the DSB EMU service across the oresund to Sweden . Any other trains go over ?
Not much loco haulage , seen only diesel hauling double deck carriages . Was confused with tickets with regards to returns , i had a 6 zone ticket and used it to return back to the city still within its time linit , maybe invalid as it was a single.

 

[AlexNL]

Impressed with the DSB EMU service across the oresund to Sweden . Any other trains go over ?

Freight, and the SJ2000 service to Stockholm. There is a seasonal overnight service from Berlin, operated by Snälltåget.

 

[swt class 450]

Do DSB still operate a few trains a day across the bridge to and from Ystad in Sweden? I though they did but i can't seem to find it in the current timetable?

 

[farci]

There is no direct service Copenhagen-Ystad any more. If you look on the Skånetrafiken website you must change at Malmo Hillie

 

[route101]

Freight, and the SJ2000 service to Stockholm. There is a seasonal overnight service from Berlin, operated by Snälltåget.

Yeah , did see one of them sets , i guess normal European stock does not come to Cophenhagen since service to Amsterdam ceased?
Black stock i seen just north of Malmo too .

 

[AlexNL]

Yeah , did see one of them sets , i guess normal European stock does not come to Cophenhagen since service to Amsterdam ceased?

As far as I know, all regular international services to Germany are worked by Danish rolling stock.

Black stock i seen just north of Malmo too .

SJ still operate some loco-hauled trains on both day and overnight services, it'll have been one of those.

 

[route101]

As far as I know, all regular international services to Germany are worked by Danish rolling stock.

SJ still operate some loco-hauled trains on both day and overnight services, it'll have been one of those.

Yeah ,had it in my mind it was DB ICE sets on the ferry .

 

[AlexNL]

Yeah ,had it in my mind it was DB ICE sets on the ferry .

That stopped a few years ago, the trains were due their midlife revision and DB did not want to invest in that.

 

[Groningen]

ICE 605 untill October 2017; now IC 3.

 

[route101]

ICE 605 untill October 2017; now IC 3.

I see . I didnt mind the DSB EMUs , though it looks odd and is a EMU.

 

[AlexNL]

IC3 are DMU's, IR4 are EMU's. And they can work together

 

[Groningen]

The official name for the IC 3 seems to be DSB MF/FF.

 

[route101]

IC3 are DMU's, IR4 are EMU's. And they can work together

Interesting , how do they work together ?

Yeah , i seen DMU one at Cophenhagen Central .

Is the S - TOG self contained or on exclusive tracks?

 

[AlexNL]

Interesting , how do they work together ?

Both train families were built by ABB Scandia (now Bombardier), so the control mechanisms are very much alike. I don't know how is dealt with the different performance characteristics of a DMU vice an EMU though. Perhaps the EMU adapts itself to the presence of a DMU?

Here's a video of an IR4 and IC3 train working together:

The first 4 coaches belong to the electric IR4 train, the last 3 are part of the IC3 DMU.

Yeah , i seen DMU one at Cophenhagen Central .

Is the S - TOG self contained or on exclusive tracks?

The Copenhagen S-Tog has exclusive tracks throughout the system. It uses a different overhead line system (1650V DC, while the rest of Denmark uses 25 kV AC) and also has its own train protection system.

It is technically possible for a non S-train to use the S-Tog network, as the network uses standard gauge and conventional lineside signalling is provided.

 

[swt class 450]

I believe that there is also a two carriage DMU version of the IC3 and IR4 style trains that is used by Lokaltog (a company which runs many local rural routes on the same island that Copenhagen is on). I am not sure what these are called?

Then there is also a four carriage EMU version of the IC3 and IR4 style trains that is used by Oresundstag (i believe that some are owned and operated by DSB whilst some others are owned and operated by Transdev Sweden). I am not sure what these are called either?

 

[AlexNL]

I believe that there is also a two carriage DMU version of the IC3 and IR4 style trains that is used by Lokaltog (a company which runs many local rural routes on the same island that Copenhagen is on). I am not sure what these are called?

That's correct, these are known as the IC2 units (a.k.a. RL2D). These trains can't work in multiple with their IC3/IR4 brethren though, as a translator module hasn't been installed.

Those IC2's should not be confused with the AnsaldoBreda-built IC2 trains (DSB MP), which have been sold to a Romanian operator.

Then there is also a four carriage EMU version of the IC3 and IR4 style trains that is used by Oresundstag (i believe that some are owned and operated by DSB whilst some others are owned and operated by Transdev Sweden). I am not sure what these are called either?

The Øresundståg trains are known as 'Litra ET' in Denmark and 'X31K' in Sweden.

 

[route101]

Ever been through trains to Norway from Demmark?

 

[MarcVD]

20 years ago there were, yes. I went on one, From Copenhagen to Halden in Norway. With the ferry crossing at Helsingor/Helsingborg.

Ever been through trains to Norway from Demmark?

 

[Groningen]

There was a Copenhagen to Oslo train and v.v. In the past.

 

[route101]

There was a Copenhagen to Oslo train and v.v. In the past.

I see , what stock did it operate with ?

 

[MarcVD]

Danish loco till the water, swedish on the other side. Swedish cars all the way, if I remember well. Must go back to my paper pictures, as I did not have a digital camera yet at that time...

 

[Groningen]

Yes about Oslo and Stockholm we are talking about 20 to 30 years ago. That swedish city above Malmo had a station on streetlevel and not (as it is now) underground.

 

[route101]

Yes about Oslo and Stockholm we are talking about 20 to 30 years ago. That swedish city above Malmo had a station on streetlevel and not (as it is now) underground.

Yeah was at Malmo last week , few trains stabled on the top level i seen. The trains went on ferry , Helsingor?

 

[Craig2601]

Some trains still use the upper level - our train from Stockholm terminated in Malmö at the upper level unless that has changed.

 

[Groningen]

I can not imagion that trains use the ferry between Sweden and Denmark.

 

[swt class 450]

I wonder if a Copenhagen to Oslo direct service could operate again? Is there any chance of this happening?

 

[paddington]

Some trains still use the upper level - our train from Stockholm terminated in Malmö at the upper level unless that has changed.

I think Malmö C is much like St Pancras in terms of the levels

 

[stut]

I don't think the Copenhagen-Oslo service will return, as DFDS run a city centre to city centre direct ferry service, which is very popular. If you add Copenhagen-Gothenburg-Halden-Oslo legs together, it'd be about a 7h run (admittedly combining several existing services).

Malmo C is split-level: through trains call at the (very deep) lower level, and terminating trains (mostly SJ inter-city, but a few locals that use the old route) use the upper level. There's also a rather lovely food court on the street level.

One piece of trivia - trains are right-hand running in Malmo, but switch to left-hand just north of the city in Arlov.

 

[route101]

I can not imagion that trains use the ferry between Sweden and Denmark.

They must of done? Unless more recently , the Oresund ?

 

[AlexNL]

I found a wonderful essay on the history of postal services across the Sound, which also tells a lot about the history of railways and train ferries: Bridging the Sound. The Postal History of the Copenhagen–Malmö Crossing.

Train ferries between Copenhagen and Malmö were introduced in 1895, and were suspended in 1973 as the prospect of a fixed link was already hurting the ferry business. After that, there were some other cross-Sound train ferry routes but they weren't successful.