TRIVIA: Stations which have had the most TOC's since Privatisation

[Ih8earlies]

A variation on one that keeps popping up every now and again.

Which stations have had the most TOC's ever since privatisation? Including past and present operators.

Rules: Must have operated a time-tabled service that was or is for use of any member of the public. (Charter trains excluded) and was NOT British Rail.

Example:

Northampton = 6 (afaik):

Silverlink
Central
(Whoever used to run the gatwick train from Northampton?)
Virgin WC
London Midland
London Northwestern.

Northampton will in no way be near the top of the list, just being used as an example.


What have you?

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

A variation on one that keeps popping up every now and again.

Which stations have had the most TOC's ever since privatisation? Including past and present operators.

Rules: Must have operated a time-tabled service that was or is for use of any member of the public. (Charter trains excluded) and was NOT British Rail.

Example:

Northampton = 6 (afaik):

Silverlink
Central
(Whoever used to run the gatwick train from Northampton?)
Virgin WC
London Midland
London Northwestern.

Northampton will in no way be near the top of the list, just being used as an example.


What have you?

Doncaster?

1. Great North Eastern Railway
2. Virgin Trains East Coast
3. East Coast
4. London North Eastern Railway
5. National Express East Coast
6. Arriva Trains Northern
7. Northern by Arriva
8. Northern Trains (Serco-Abellio)
9. First TransPennine Express
10. TransPennine Express
11. Central
12. Midland Mainline
13. Hull Trains
14. Grand Central
15. Virgin CrossCountry
16. CrossCountry
17. East Midlands Trains

 

[Esker-pades]

Doncaster?

1. Great North Eastern Railway
2. Virgin Trains East Coast
3. East Coast
4. London North Eastern Railway
5. National Express East Coast
6. Arriva Trains Northern
7. Northern by Arriva
8. Northern Trains (Serco-Abellio)
9. First TransPennine Express
10. TransPennine Express
11. Central
12. Midland Mainline
13. Hull Trains
14. Grand Central
15. Virgin CrossCountry
16. CrossCountry

+East Midlands Trains

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

+East Midlands Trains

Thanks. Can anyone beat 17?

 

[Silver Cobra]

It doesn't beat Doncaster, but Peterborough has had a fair few over the years:

1. Great North Eastern Railway
2. National Express East Coast
3. East Coast
4. Virgin Trains East Coast
5. London North Eastern Railway
6. Western Anglia Great Northern
7. First Capital Connect
8. Great Northern / Thameslink (feel free to separate these if you think it's valid to)
9. National Express East Anglia
10. (Abellio) Greater Anglia
11. Central Trains
12. East Midlands Trains
13. Cross Country

 

[pdeaves]

Northampton = 6 (afaik):

Silverlink
Central
(Whoever used to run the gatwick train from Northampton?)
Virgin WC
London Midland
London Northwestern.

The Gatwick train was Connex South Central. Did it continue into Southern days?

 

[scrapy]

I make 17 at Crewe as well

1)Northwestern Trains/First North Western
2)Northern Rail
3)Northern by arriva
4)Virgin Cross-country
5)Crosscountry by arriva
6)Virgin West coast
7)East Midland Trains
8)London Northwestern railway
9)London Midland
10)Central Trains
11)Caledonian Sleeper
12)ScotRail (First)
13)Wales and West
14)Wales and Borders
15)Arriva Trains Wales
16)Transport for Wales
17)Scotrail (National Express)

*North Western Trains and First North Western were the same franchise just rebranded part way through.

 

[IceAgeComing]

I was thinking that Edinburgh Waverley might be near the top but I only can get to 13 easily with a possible 14th. Any that I've missed?

1+2+3. The Scotrails
4 GNER
5 National Express East Coast
6 East Coast
7 Virgin Trains East Coast
8. LNER
9. Virgin Trains (West Coast)
10. Virgin Trains (Cross Country)
11. Cross Country
12. Caledonian Sleeper
13. Transpennine Express
14. I *think* Arriva Northern (who used to run Transpennine Express)

Probably the top one in Scotland: Central equals it but doesn't have any more.

 

[Deafdoggie]

Crewe has, I think, had 17 over the years (but happy to be corrected) Certainly been a lot of train liveries over the years!

Arriva Trains Wales
Arriva Trains Northern
Caledonian Sleepers
Central Trains
Cross Country Trains
East Midland Trains
London Midland
London Northwestern Railway
Northwestern Trains
Northern Spirit
Northern Trains
Scotrail
Silverlink
Transport For Wales
Virgin Cross Country
Virgin West Coast
Wales and West

@scrappy was typing whilst I was thinking! It is easy to get confused between a change of brand and change of franchise.

 

[Carlisle]

I was thinking that Edinburgh Waverley might be near the top but I only can get to 13 easily with a possible 14th. Any that I've missed?

1+2+3. The Scotrails
4 GNER
5 National Express East Coast
6 East Coast
7 Virgin Trains East Coast
8. LNER
9. Virgin Trains (West Coast)
10. Virgin Trains (Cross Country)
11. Cross Country
12. Caledonian Sleeper
13. Transpennine Express
14. I *think* Arriva Northern (who used to run Transpennine Express)

Probably the top one in Scotland: Central equals it but doesn't have any more.

Carlisle
1+2+3 The Scotrails
4 north west trains / first NW
5 Caledonian Sleeper
6 Arriva Trains Northern
7 Northern (Serco+Abellio)
8 Virgin Trains (west coast)
9 Virgin Trains (cross country)
10 northern by Arriva
11 northern spirit
12 Trans Pennine Express
13 First TPE
+ the 5 east coast TOCs made timetabled stops a few weekends each year when diverted

 

[Esker-pades]

Glasgow Central counts 15. I don't think anywhere in Scotland can top it.

1. GNER
2. LNER
3. NXEC
4. East Coast
5. VTEC
6. ScotRail (National Express)
7. First ScotRail
8. Abellio ScotRail
9. Virgin CrossCountry
10. CrossCountry
11. First TransPennine Express
12. TransPennine Express
13. Virgin Trains (West Coast)
14. Arriva Trains Northern
15. Caledonian Sleeper

 

[IceAgeComing]

Totally forget about the TransPennine Express thing which adds one to Edinburgh if you treat the two separately; not entirely sure whether you should though...

 

[Esker-pades]

Totally forget about the TransPennine Express thing which adds one to Edinburgh if you treat the two separately; not entirely sure whether you should though...

Between First TransPennine Express and TransPennine Express, the franchise was changed (Barrow, Windermere and Blackpool services amongst others were transferred to Northern). I argue that that makes it a new TOC.

 

[IceAgeComing]

The ownership also changed; First Transpennine was a partnership between First and other people while TPE is solely owned by First. A little confusing but oh well...

 

[pdeaves]

Between First TransPennine Express and TransPennine Express, the franchise was changed (Barrow, Windermere and Blackpool services amongst others were transferred to Northern). I argue that that makes it a new TOC.

Especially as Keolis has no involvement with the current TPE. The two TPEs are different operators.

 

[43096]

Anywhere on the East Coast has the advantage that there have been 5 franchisees on that route, plus there are two open access operators as well.

Manchester Piccadilly gets to 15:
1. Virgin West Coast
2. Virgin XC
3. Arriva XC
4. First North Western
5. Arriva Trains Northern/Northern Spirit
6. Northern Rail (Serco/Abellio)
7. Northern (Arriva)
8. Central Trains
9. Midland Mainline
10. East Midlands Trains
11. First/Keolis Trans Pennine
12. Trans Pennine Express
13. Wales & Borders
14. Arriva Train Wales
15. TfW

 

[TurbostarFan]

Ely may not count but still has at least 12 TOCs which is something!

1) National Express East Anglia
2) One
3) Central Trains
4) Virgin Cross Country
5) Cross Country by Arriva
6) Govia Thameslink Railway (Thameslink and Great Northern)
7) First Capital Connect
8) East Midlands Trains
9) Anglia Railways
10) Thameslink
11) West Anglia Great Northern
12) Greater Anglia (legal name Abellio East Anglia Ltd)

 

[pdeaves]

12) Greater Anglia (legal name Abellio Greater Anglia Limited)

only until refranchise in 2016. Now the legal name is Abellio East Anglia Ltd!

 

[TurbostarFan]

only until refranchise in 2016. Now the legal name is Abellio East Anglia Ltd!

Fair point. Post amended to reflect that.

 

[brompton rail]

Doncaster?

1. Great North Eastern Railway
2. Virgin Trains East Coast
3. East Coast
4. London North Eastern Railway
5. National Express East Coast
6. Arriva Trains Northern
7. Northern by Arriva
8. Northern Trains (Serco-Abellio)
9. First TransPennine Express
10. TransPennine Express
11. Central
12. Midland Mainline
13. Hull Trains
14. Grand Central
15. Virgin CrossCountry
16. CrossCountry
17. East Midlands Trains

Shouldn't Northern Spirit be in there too, as Arriva (first time around) acquired the franchise off them in the first place

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

Shouldn't Northern Spirit be in there too, as Arriva (first time around) acquired the franchise off them in the first place

It was purchased not rewarded so does not count imo.

 

[pdeaves]

It was purchased not rewarded so does not count imo.

I agree. Northern Spirit was an Arriva subsidiary for 14 months before rebranding as Arriva Trains Northern.

 

[Ih8earlies]

Which Anglia franchise was branded as "One"?

 

[TurbostarFan]

Which Anglia franchise was branded as "One"?

The same franchise which was rebranded NXEA and is now operated by Greater Anglia.

 

[backontrack]

York's had a fair few - I make it fourteen:

Northern Spirit
Northern Rail
Midland Mainline
Grand Central
Virgin CrossCountry
Arriva CrossCountry
First TransPennine Express
TransPennine Express
GNER
NXEC
East Coast
VTEC
LNER
The new, sh*tter Northern


Then there's Glasgow Central and Motherwell, both with sixteen:

Caledonian Sleeper
NX ScotRail
First ScotRail
Abellio ScotRail
Northern Spirit
Northern Rail
Virgin Trains West Coast
Virgin CrossCountry
Arriva CrossCountry
TransPennine Express
First TransPennine Express
GNER
NXEC
East Coast
VTEC
LNER

Those Northern services? The old service to/from Leeds over the Settle and Carlisle Line - canned in 2006.

Did First North Western ever reach Glasgow?

 

[Ih8earlies]

EMT also visit York

 

[Llama]

Did First North Western ever reach Glasgow?

Sadly not. They did reach London Euston stopping at Tamworth and Watford Jn on the way though.

 

[LLivery]

London's top 2 are I think are

London King's Cross:

1. GNER
2. NXEC
3. East Coast
4. VTEC
5. LNER
6. WAGN
7. Hull Trains
8. Grand Central
9. First Capital Connect
10. GTR (Great Northern + Thameslink)
11. Occasional Caledonian Sleeper?

Stratford:

1. Silverlink (Metro)
2. First Great Eastern
3. Anglia Railways
4. West Anglia Great Northern (limited service)
5. "One" Railway / National Express East Anglia
6. c2c
7. London Overground
8. Abellio Greater Anglia
9. TfL Rail

 

[Surreytraveller]

The Gatwick train was Connex South Central. Did it continue into Southern days?

Don't forget there was South Central between Connex and Southern. Does 'New Southern Railway' count, as that was the official name upon franchise renewal, now you have GTR. Even though they all used the brand name of 'Southern', and owned by the same parent company, technically they were different companies.

 

[Clansman]

York's had a fair few - I make it fourteen:

Northern Spirit
Northern Rail
Midland Mainline
Grand Central
Virgin CrossCountry
Arriva CrossCountry
First TransPennine Express
TransPennine Express
GNER
NXEC
East Coast
VTEC
LNER
The new, sh*tter Northern


Then there's Glasgow Central and Motherwell, both with sixteen:

Caledonian Sleeper
NX ScotRail
First ScotRail
Abellio ScotRail
Northern Spirit
Northern Rail
Virgin Trains West Coast
Virgin CrossCountry
Arriva CrossCountry
TransPennine Express
First TransPennine Express
GNER
NXEC
East Coast
VTEC
LNER

Those Northern services? The old service to/from Leeds over the Settle and Carlisle Line - canned in 2006.

Did First North Western ever reach Glasgow?

Could squeeze SPT into that batch if the OP were to deem such examples as valid.