Does Norwich station have a Compulsory Ticket Area?

[TurbostarFan]

Would Norwich station be an example of a station with an area for travellers only but no Compulsory Ticket Area (CTA)? I asked Greater Anglia which stations had CTAs but they simply sent me a leaflet which detailed penalty fare trains and stations but did not mention any CTAs at all.

 

[ForTheLoveOf]

Would Norwich station be an example of a station with an area for travellers only but no CTA? I asked Greater Anglia which stations had CTAs but they simply sent me a leaflet which detailed penalty fare trains and stations but did not mention any CTAs at all.

It should be easy to recognise whether or not it's a Compulsory Ticket Area (CTA). There should be signage similar to this* at all locations where a passenger might enter the station.

As far as I'm aware, Norwich is not a Compulsory Ticket Area, but it is possible that this has changed since the lists of such stations were last compiled.

*The picture is of a sign similar to normal Penalty Fare warning signs, but which warns that you are entering a Compulsory Ticket Area.

 

[TurbostarFan]

It should be easy to recognise whether or not it's a Compulsory Ticket Area (CTA). There should be signage similar to this* at all locations where a passenger might enter the station.

As far as I'm aware, Norwich is not a Compulsory Ticket Area, but it is possible that this has changed since the lists of such stations were last compiled.

*The picture is of a sign similar to normal Penalty Fare warning signs, but which warns that you are entering a Compulsory Ticket Area.

It doesn't have one of those signs so it isn't. Many thanks.

 

[ainsworth74]

Would Norwich station be an example of a station with an area for travellers only but no CTA?

No the majority of stations that have barriers that divide the concourse from the platforms are not compulsory ticket areas. Indeed reasonable requests to pass through the barriers without tickets should be granted (i.e. to see a family member off/on a train), something which would not be possible in a Compulsory Ticket Area.

 

[yorkie]

Would Norwich station be an example of a station with an area for travellers only but no CTA? I asked Greater Anglia which stations had CTAs but they simply sent me a leaflet which detailed penalty fare trains and stations but did not mention any CTAs at all.

A CTA, as defined in the Penalty Fare legislation, is a very specific concept which applies to very few locations outside of the London area (Birmingham Moor Street is a notable example).

See http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/Penalty Fares Guidelines 2018.pdf for more information.

Any person who is present in a compulsory ticket area must be able to produce a valid ticket if they intend to travel, or other authority to be there if not,
if asked by a Collector or other person on behalf of an Operator

Being unable to produce a relevant ticket or authority may make you liable for a Penalty Fare.

Norwich station is not a designated CTA, however the company is still able to stipulate that passengers may not enter the platform area without holding a valid ticket or other authority to travel or be in that area; there is no need for them to designate it a CTA to be able to do this.

I doubt anyone who read your letter would have understood the question you asked.

 

[TurbostarFan]

A CTA, as defined in the Penalty Fare legislation, is a very specific concept which applies to very few locations outside of the London area (Birmingham Moor Street is a notable example).

See http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/Penalty Fares Guidelines 2018.pdf for more information.


Norwich station is not a designated CTA, however the company is still able to stipulate that passengers may not enter the platform area without holding a valid ticket or other authority to travel or be in that area; there is no need for them to designate it a CTA to be able to do this.

I doubt anyone who read your letter would have understood the question you asked.

Fair point.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Norwich station is not a designated CTA, however the company is still able to stipulate that passengers may not enter the platform area without holding a valid ticket or other authority to travel or be in that area; there is no need for them to designate it a CTA to be able to do this.

Indeed. As privately-owned land, the railway can designate any area it wishes for ticket holders only and prevent access, e.g. by way of barriers.

What a CTA allows them to do is to charge a Penalty Fare to anyone who has entered the area without a valid ticket even if they have not actually travelled nor have any intention of doing so. If someone gets in an area that is only allowed for ticket holders but is *not* a CTA, it's just a case of being asked to leave (or could the trespass Byelaw be used?)

 

[TurbostarFan]

Indeed. As privately-owned land, the railway can designate any area it wishes for ticket holders only and prevent access, e.g. by way of barriers.

What a CTA allows them to do is to charge a Penalty Fare to anyone who has entered the area without a valid ticket even if they have not actually travelled nor have any intention of doing so. If someone gets in an area that is only allowed for ticket holders but is *not* a CTA, it's just a case of being asked to leave (or could the trespass Byelaw be used?)

It could indeed. If the person continues to loiter after being asked to leave then they could be removed by reasonable force and they could also be prosecuted for breach of Bylaw 13.

Here is a list of the Railway Bylaws (2005): https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/media/1058/railway-byelaws.pdf