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deltic

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With London's new ultra low emission zone starting shortly my 18 year old Peugeot 306 will shortly be heading for the scrap heap.

Any suggestions for a replacement?

looking for something cheap, very reliable, economical to run, will do around 3,000 miles a year, mainly in urban areas and needs to readily accommodate 4 adults, and ideally less than 5 years old
 
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Can only say, having run a Peugeot, then a Citroen, I've had Renaults for the last twenty years and more and have, in the main, had very good experiences. The first was a secondhand Renault 5 which I had for about six years before it was rammed (when parked on a main road) by a drunk driver. When dealing with the insurance claim, the insurers told me that Renault had, in fact, put a Clio engine in it (the 5 was one of the very last produced, and they must have run out of engines!.) Then I had a Mark2 Clio, also secondhand, with low mileage, and I did have a recurring electrical problem with that, but it transpired it was something the main Renault dealer I bought it from had fiddled with unnecessarily. I wasn't put off, but sold it eight years ago when I inherited a small sum, and bought a new, but very low spec, Clio Mark 3, for less than £6,000. I've done over 95,000 miles in that, with no breakdowns, and only needing replacements for things which could be expected. Most of my driving is localish trips, with little motorway, and I couldn't recommend it more. I don't usually carry more than one passenger, so my car is 2 door, but if you had a 4 door... Always petrol for me, my diesel Citroen was a nightmare!
 

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Very happy with our Suzuki Swift 1.3 petrol (63 version) which lives in the ULEZ although does most of its travels out of London. Great fuel economy, good to drive and we've had 4 adults in it more than once. The boot is the weak point - not massive and the floor isn't flush with the opening.
 

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We have a Peugeot 107*, it's small, cheap, easy to maintain and very economical, earlier this year the wife and I had a week in Llandudno, we filled up before leaving home in Tamworth with a full tank for £35, drove to Llandudno, drove every day we were there and still had half a tank before setting off home...

We've also managed to fit our two year old son and a weeks worth of camping gear in the back, just.

*Also sold as the Citeron C1 and Toyota Aygo.
 

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I love my run-around, it's a Hyundai i10 petrol and I got it two years ago from the dealers as a "used" car £8.5k - it had 9 miles on the clock and was "used" as it had been a showroom model. £20 annual tax. Many ex-demos with under 1000 miles can be picked up from dealers. It costs me under 15p/mile in petrol, nearer 10p smoothly driven on motorways!
Edit; my annual insurance is around £250 for 5999 miles and the dealer's used ex-demo/showroom cars can come with the knobs and whistles - warranty, AA cover etc.
 

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I recently bought an i10 for my commute and compared to my previous car (Peugeot 107) it's a real pleasure to drive. The 107 handles a bit better, but the i10 is a lot smoother ride and I like all the extras, including Apple Carplay. Like Howardh I got mine slightly second-hand (mine had 200 miles on the clock as a woman bought it and then returned as she didn't feel it was big enough for her shopping...); that got me £1500 off the list price and the "protection package" thrown in. It still has most of the 5 year warranty, which is another plus.
 

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looking for something cheap, very reliable, economical to run, will do around 3,000 miles a year, mainly in urban areas and needs to readily accommodate 4 adults, and ideally less than 5 years old
What's your budget?
Will you be buying outright or going for a finance deal?
 

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I'm on my 3rd Skoda now - 1 Fabia estate and 2 Octavia estates. They are great cars. The TSI petrol engines are brilliant and they are smooth and reliable.
 

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You'd be hard pressed to go wrong with a Skoda Fabia, especially with the 1.2tsi which is an excellent little engine.
Here's a couple of examples I've found from a quick search.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201812223438398/
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201810301964058/

With your budget, you could also get a current generation Fabia, though you're mostly looking at the 1.0mpi, which can feel a bit gutless on faster roads, but is fine around town, imo.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201812103139779/
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201806117387894/

If you wanted something a little bigger, have a look at the Skoda Rapid.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201812273491214/
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201812153275713/

If you don't mind something a bit more basic, consider have a look at the Dacia Sandero. The 0.9TCe is another great little engine.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201812042978125/
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201812042980531/

There's loads of Fiestas around in your budget, here's just a couple of them.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201812173311712/
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201811182537444/

Avoid anything diesel - with that sort of mileage, especially in London, it'll cost more in both the short and long run.

I'd find some more, but I have other things I have to do tonight. :D
 
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Very happy with our Suzuki Swift 1.3 petrol (63 version) which lives in the ULEZ although does most of its travels out of London. Great fuel economy, good to drive and we've had 4 adults in it more than once. The boot is the weak point - not massive and the floor isn't flush with the opening.

This. This. This.

OP- if you want reliability, buy Japanese. I had the '07 swift. Loads scoffed at it and still would, but when their fords and euro cars crumbled in the bad weather, mine didn't put a foot wrong. I wasn't smug. Did 20,000 miles in just under 2 years the thing was bulletproof. Cheap to service and insure and was nippy through the lanes. Quicker than the equivalent Fiesta/Corsa to 60 if speed is a factor in your choice.

I now drive a BMW - it's a day or two off being 3 years old and has already had serious mechanical problems. Nice to drive and nice to look at but I'm dreading the day the warranty runs out. It's not high mileage/ex demo car either.

I'll be going back to Japanese for the next car.
 

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I'm on my 3rd Skoda now - 1 Fabia estate and 2 Octavia estates. They are great cars. The TSI petrol engines are brilliant and they are smooth and reliable.

Another good brand that some scoff at.
 

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It took VAG group at least 10 years to get the 1.4 TSi to be anything close to reliable. It is now rebranded as a 1.5TSi, so make of that what you will.

The smaller capacity turbo engines were also subject to lots of changes to stop them destroying themselves.

For me it would be Japanese. Suzuki, Toyota Yaris or Auris and the Honda Jazz.
 

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As has been suggested Kia/Hyundai are both good options and should both have options with plenty of warranty left. My step mum had a first gen 'ceed 3 which was perfect both in performance and build quality and the Ioniq hybrid that she's had for a few months seems great as well.
Also both the i10, 'ceed and i30 got glowing top gear reviews and as for the swift, Jeremy Clarkson really liked it.

A word of warning, some turbocharged options haven't had the best reliability record. Esp. the ford ecobost 1.0.
 

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A word of warning, some turbocharged options haven't had the best reliability record. Esp. the ford ecobost 1.0.

I remember watching a programme on the Beeb on it earlier this year. One lad had that type of engine catch fire, writing his car off and ended up losing a load of money in the process. He then went and 'bought*' the same model again! Prat.

*May have been on finance rather than owned, can't remember.
 

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We had an i20 but only for about 6 months as it was so terrible.

The other bonus of small Japanese cars is they still generally use timing chains. Once you start with belts you are into changes every 5 years or so for VAG engines, thats £300-500 you won't see again.
 
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We had an i20 but only for about 6 months as it was so terrible.
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What was wrong with it? I had thought of an i20 so I could tow a very small caravan, no idea how reliable it is (or isn't); or is ther another issue?
 

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It took VAG group at least 10 years to get the 1.4 TSi to be anything close to reliable. It is now rebranded as a 1.5TSi, so make of that what you will.

The smaller capacity turbo engines were also subject to lots of changes to stop them destroying themselves.

For me it would be Japanese. Suzuki, Toyota Yaris or Auris and the Honda Jazz.
Two different engines. The unreliable 1.4 TSI was the twin-charged one in the VRS. The bog standard one has a very good record. I had the 1.2 in my Fabia, the 1.4 in my first Octy and the 1.5 in my current one. All have been faultless.
 

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With modern cars, even the least reliable makes and models don't all fail. If someone has had a car with faultless reliability for 10 years, you now can't buy the same model.

If you just work from your own experience, or that of personal contacts, you don't get a big enough sample size to judge. Sites like www.whatcar.com and the car-by-car breakdown at www.honestjohn.co.uk let you feedback from a bigger sample. When you look at customer satisfaction surveys, you sometimes need to be careful to filter the reviews. Some people are satisfied because they expected poor customer service and it was adequate. Others are dissatisfied when the service was only excellent and they expected more. Owners of a Morris Minor will tell you how their car is perfectly reliable, neglecting to mention routine maintenence they have to do every month. There are other people who expect to fill a car with fuel and do nothing else.

Sometimes there are problems with a specific model which can take time to appear. In the first couple of years when a model of car is produced, they tend to have a lot of minor problems. The worst problems will be fixed with a recall. With others, they might correct the problem on the new cars, and leave the owners of the ones that have already been sold to sort out the problems for themselves.

If you get an unusual car, then you may end up paying for a mechanic to work out the foibles. If its a common car, then hopefully they will have already learnt the tricks when someone else was paying. If you get a niche model, make sure you have easy access to a garage or mechanic with experience of working with them.

Big complicated cars depreciate faster than small ones. Running costs on a bigger car are not that much more, but when stuff goes wrong, everything is more expensive, and with a higher specification, there is more to go wrong. Premium brands like Audi depreciate slower than mass market ones. If you sell a car when its still new, then depreciation will be a big part of the amount that you pay.

If you buy a second hand car, and can get one from someone that you trust, who is selling it for a good reason, then that helps to reduce the chances of getting a bad car. Some people sell their car because they are bored or it, or its too big or too small, then that is fine. If they know its about to need expensive repairs, or they can't afford the running costs and haven't bothered to service it, then its one to avoid.
 

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Two different engines. The unreliable 1.4 TSI was the twin-charged one in the VRS. The bog standard one has a very good record. I had the 1.2 in my Fabia, the 1.4 in my first Octy and the 1.5 in my current one. All have been faultless.

Far more than 2 versions. The supercharged turbo was the start of the problems.

There was also the unreliable 1.4ftsi with turbo, no supercharger and a belt. The engine failure rate was too high. Next came TSi with a chain to replace the belt. That was a disaster due to faulty chains. Back to a 1.4 with a belt which was better and this then became the 1.5TSi.

Its not a history I would put faith in.
 

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I'm currently running a 2013 ford focus ecoboost which costed £7500 from my local dealer, and the yearly car tax is £20, yes you read that right- £20!

It's meant to have auto engine cutout when idle for certain period of time but mine doesn't seem to do it but it's a nice car, got turbo and good acceleration and amazing 1000cc engine
 

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Another Suzuki Swift owner and very happy with it. Not hugely comfortable for long distance but given your requirements should fit the bill. My daughter drives it too and also likes it. At the end of the day though "you pays yer money and takes yer choice". Hope you end up with something you're happy with.
 

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I'm currently running a 2013 ford focus ecoboost which costed £7500 from my local dealer, and the yearly car tax is £20, yes you read that right- £20!

It's meant to have auto engine cutout when idle for certain period of time but mine doesn't seem to do it but it's a nice car, got turbo and good acceleration and amazing 1000cc engine

The same type of engine that has been mentioned upthread - loads of them have been catching fire. Ford have recently admitted there is an issue with that specific 1 litre ecoboost engine.
 

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About £7k max paying outright

You realize you can pretty much get a new car for that amount ? I found a Suzuki Celerio Celerio 1.0 SZ2 5dr for £7,995. (68 plate) 65.7mpg (combined) pretty basic model but I'd rather go new/nearly new than second hand and trawling through Autotrader.

Toyota AYGO (18 plate) £7,540 or AYGO (16 plate) (570miles) £6,985

 
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With a £7k budget there will be so much choice, from nearly new basic to something a few years older but more spacious and still in great shape. Might be worth looking at some local car supermarkets to see what's around. At least with them you know the sticker price is what you will pay as they don't do haggling.
 

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Got a silver 2007 Vauxhall Meriva 1.6 auto with nearly 80k on it.
Bought in 2011 with 23k.
Never broke down & still on original exhaust. Does 45 mpg on a run to Cornwall with a roof box & cycle carrier on. Tax is £190 a year. Oh & it’s massive inside.
New builds nowadays have crap boots yet more cup holders than you can poke a stick at.
Other car is a 2001 Vw polo 1.4 auto with 80k on it.
Bought in 2004 it’s bulletproof.
No lecky windows or air-con so nothing to go wrong although weirdly it does have lecky mirrors.
It’s got as much get up & go as I have (I’m 50 years old) & you don’t want to take it over 60 mph if you value your hearing.
Apart from that it’s brilliant.
Only last week it shrugged of a 380 mile trip to the family’s homestead the othe side of London.
Would be happy with another of either. Won’t catch me buying new or nearly new
 
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