EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Howardh]

Thank you for the only sensible and relevant response to that question.

Citizens outside the EU but within EFTA/EEA (Norway/Iceland/CH/FL) will also be able to travel ETIAS-free. That is still an option for the UK should we go down a similar route; which means continuing with free movement.

 

[bramling]

A lot of things were said by representatives of both the leave and remain campaigns. It is disingenuous to cherry pick just one and try to justify what half of the votes were cast against, particularly give the criticism that you and others here have made about 'project fear'.

Er, I don’t think I’ve once criticised “project fear”. For what it’s worth my view is that it’s up to people to hear whatever viewpoints people wish to project, balance them up, and form their own judgement.

I don’t think it’s disingenuous to pick the Cameron speech. It didn’t come from the leave or remain campaign, it came from the *prime minister* and also from the person who called the referendum and (ostensively as it turned out!) was to be the person at the helm of delivering the outcome.

Meanwhile, I see Blair has opened his big discredited mouth again. The more heard from him, the more the public mood will turn in the opposite direction.

 

[EM2]

Citizens outside the EU but within EFTA/EEA (Norway/Iceland/CH/FL) will also be able to travel ETIAS-free. That is still an option for the UK should we go down a similar route; which means continuing with free movement.

If we don't, and also as it appears we're losing the EHIC card as well, that means a holiday for a family of four will mean €28 for ETIAS plus holiday insurance (say €12 each) at €48, so that's €76. My contribution to the EU budget in the last tax year works out at €62.33. Sounds like this exiting the EU will be excellent value

 

[underbank]

If we don't, and also as it appears we're losing the EHIC card as well, that means a holiday for a family of four will mean €28 for ETIAS plus holiday insurance (say €12 each) at €48, so that's €76. My contribution to the EU budget in the last tax year works out at €62.33. Sounds like this exiting the EU will be excellent value

Surely most sensible people buy travel insurance anyway in addition to the EHIC card??

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Margins of error...... 90% will not become below 50%.

I don't get that from the parts of Ireland I stay in - they actually admire the Brits for getting the fekk out of that mess

 

[EM2]

Surely most sensible people buy travel insurance anyway in addition to the EHIC card??

Many do not. There are numerous tales of holidays ruined by lack of insurance.

 

[EM2]

I don't get that from the parts of Ireland I stay in - they actually admire the Brits for getting the fekk out of that mess

Interesting. When I lived in Ireland for six years, there was barely a bad word said about the EU.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

There was a solution to the violence which was voted on by the people on the Island of Ireland. Its called the Good Friday Agreement - When was the last IRA attack in England?
Your solution to non existent (current) Irish / N . Irish terrorism attacks in England is to destroy the thing that's created the non existent (current) Irish / N . Irish terrorism attacks in England or break up the United Kingdom just because of your racism (as demonstrated in your previous posts). The lengths you are willing to go do destroy everything just to stop foreigners living in your area is staggering.

… aye and they are all fine peace loving folk and NOT racist.

Interesting. When I lived in Ireland for six years, there was barely a bad word said about the EU.

Probably depends on where you are - and how locals have been affected.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Seeing as the country is so divided on this issue and it is a case of never the twain will meet it's probably best if we split England in half probably using an East / West divide and we can all move to our respective zones and build a big wall to keep each other out.

 

[Mag_seven]

Seeing as the country is so divided on this issue and it is a case of never the twain will meet it's probably best if we split England in half probably using an East / West divide and we can all move to our respective zones and build a big wall to keep each other out.

Funnily enough I was thinking that - if the Eastern half of England is outside the EU then London can be split in two, Berlin style.

I would assume Scotland would remain in the EU so some sort of "half Hadrian's wall" could be built keeping the border with the western (EU) half of England open.

 

[EM2]

Probably depends on where you are - and how locals have been affected.

Leitrim, Longford and Roscommon. All areas with plenty of EU migrants living and working.

 

[Howardh]

Surely most sensible people buy travel insurance anyway in addition to the EHIC card??

I can't confirm this, but t's suggested and makes sense that costs for health insurance in Europe will increase, as the insurers will now have to pick up the tab for stuff that was covered under the EHIC, such as broken bones, trips, falls etc that we would go to A+E for and show our EHIC card.
So insurance may well be too expensive for those with pre-existing conditions who can afford to travel now.
Time will tell, but for sure travelling to Europe has now become more expensive, yet another Brexit Bonus.
Come another referendum that might be pointed out!

 

[nidave]

I don't get that from the parts of Ireland I stay in - they actually admire the Brits for getting the fekk out of that mess

Non of the people I speak to and work with in Ireland feel the same and all think being in the eu benefits the people and country.

 

[NSEFAN]

Many do not. There are numerous tales of holidays ruined by lack of insurance.

Perhaps the changes will force people to take up travel insurance?

 

[nidave]

… aye and they are all fine peace loving folk and NOT racist.

I'm sure there are racist people in n. Ireland but I hate to point this out to you. The troubles were on religious ideology not race (I thought this was widely known by people) . Religion is not a race.

 

[eotw]

For a better understanding of the NI problems try reading this

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...e-but-there-is-a-price-to-pay-for-complacency

Although it is in the Guardian, it is by Fintan O'Toole a writer for for the Irish Times.

His wiki biography has a wonderful example of slack and arrogant English biased journalism.

In 2011 he was named by The Observer as one of "Britain's top 300 intellectuals", although he does not live in the UK and was one of five on the list who would not claim to be British.

Similar to the outrage of the British press when Andy Murray didn't support the English football team.

 

[nidave]

For a better understanding of the NI problems try reading this

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...e-but-there-is-a-price-to-pay-for-complacency

Although it is in the Guardian, it is by Fintan O'Toole a writer for for the Irish Times.

His wiki biography has a wonderful example of slack and arrogant English biased journalism.



Similar to the outrage of the British press when Andy Murray didn't support the English football team.

This is why I get so annoyed at people. They think they have the right to destroy what I and others voted via the GFA and they don't care.

 

[EM2]

Perhaps the changes will force people to take up travel insurance?

And end up paying more for their holidays. I don't remember that being on the Referendum paper.

 

[eotw]

This is why I get so annoyed at people. They think they have the right to destroy what I and others voted via the GFA and they don't care.

I have lived in England since 1988 but grew up in County Fermanagh. The contempt shown for the hard won peace in NI makes my blood boil. When Rees-Mogg or Johnson swan over to NI, speak to a few Unionists* and then dismiss the problem as some EU plot I end up screaming at the telly.

*I always voted Unionist when I lived in NI

 

[Esker-pades]

I don't get that from the parts of Ireland I stay in - they actually admire the Brits for getting the fekk out of that mess

Personal anecdotes aren't a substitute for statistically rigourous examinations.

 

[Ianno87]

Is someone able to tell me what "Managed No Deal" actually means, please?

Or is it just the next round of Brexit BS (c.f. "Red, White and Blue Brexit") - make some words that sound meaningful, but with zero actual substance behind it before being blurted out?

 

[Esker-pades]

Is someone able to tell me what "Managed No Deal" actually means, please?

Or is it just the next round of Brexit BS (c.f. "Red, White and Blue Brexit") - make some words that sound meaningful, but with zero actual substance behind it before being blurted out?

A managed no-deal is not a thing. In order to manage a no-deal, there has to be some form of deal. So, it is sugar-coating rubbish.

I suspect managed no-deal refers to leaving with a very minimalist deal. However, how we get that is another question entirely given that the EU have said that the deal T May has got is the only one on offer.

 

[deltic]

Seeing as the country is so divided on this issue and it is a case of never the twain will meet it's probably best if we split England in half probably using an East / West divide and we can all move to our respective zones and build a big wall to keep each other out.

This is one of the most depressing threads on this forum - the bitterness and rancour shown by both sides is a bit like the 1984-5 miners strike. I am also reminded of the 1995 Quebec Independence Referendum which was lost on even tighter margins 50.6% to 49.4% on a 93.5% turnout. The referendum resulted in Quebec embracing stricter French language laws which resulted in many English speakers leaving and the relative decline of Montreal vis a vis Toronto, although as a tourist I must admit I prefer Montreal.

How any political party is going to bring the country together is beyond me.

 

[Ken H]

And end up paying more for their holidays. I don't remember that being on the Referendum paper.

wow. €7.00 every 3 years. Massive increase -if it ever happens

 

[Howardh]

wow. €7.00 every 3 years. Massive increase -if it ever happens

Well, if there's another referendum, they can quote you on all the pro-Brexit billboards then.
Also, you can add the cost of an international driver's licence to it if anyoen wants to hire a car.
Go on, it's all stunningly great Brexit news...plaster it all over the country!!

 

[nidave]

wow. €7.00 every 3 years. Massive increase -if it ever happens

So not only will we everything else cost more as the pound tanks - people have to pay more for holidays - do you begrudge those less well off than you are holidays outside of the UK? You might not worry about €7.00 but €7.00 each for a family of 5 can make a massive difference. Suppose it wont be an issue as these people who are currently just managing will have to use food banks instead so wont even be thinking about so.
if it ever happens - unless brexit is cancelled its going to happen.

 

[Howardh]

So not only will we everything else cost more as the pound tanks - people have to pay more for holidays - do you begrudge those less well off than you are holidays outside of the UK? You might not worry about €7.00 but €7.00 each for a family of 5 can make a massive difference. Suppose it wont be an issue as these people who are currently just managing will have to use food banks instead so wont even be thinking about so.
if it ever happens - unless brexit is cancelled its going to happen.

There are families on low wages that are, to coin a phrase, just about managing, who have their one bit of luxury which is a holiday in the sun, they spread their payments and save for their spends, who find it becomes beyond their reach as the pound tanks and then we add on these added extras.
Wonder if they will ask "what are the benefits of Brexit to ME instead of these drawbacks?"
Tell you what, if we weren't in the EU and thinking of joining; how much of a plus would it be if we told people that the car/ETIAS "tax" was being removed, they could travel freely with just their blue passports and not have to queue in R/O/W lanes at EU airports again?

 

[EM2]

wow. €7.00 every 3 years. Massive increase -if it ever happens

And the added expense of travel insurance. Lucky for you that you can afford it. Not everyone will be able to.

 

[Esker-pades]

wow. €7.00 every 3 years. Massive increase -if it ever happens

And the added expense of travel insurance. Lucky for you that you can afford it. Not everyone will be able to.

The Wind Band at my university has an annual week-long trip to a selected city in Northern Europe (last year we went to Utrecht). There are usually about 50 of us, plus the coach driver, plus the conductor. So that's €350 before we've even thought about the requirements for the musical instruments (it can be a right pain getting customs people to play ball, but not a problem at the moment given that the EU allows free movement). As a member of the committee for the wind band, it is something that we're going to have to have a long think about.

 

[nidave]

And the added expense of travel insurance. Lucky for you that you can afford it. Not everyone will be able to.

As long as we dont have to pay for new infrastructure or build more housing and people can get a seat on a train and we destroy the GFA its all worthwhile.... right?