EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[radamfi]

There's always Irish radio if you don't want pro-Brexit bias.

Also, Euronews now have dedicated English language shows. They mostly use the same video across Europe with different audio channels but there is now "Good Morning Europe" between 0700 and 0800 GMT. There is an evening show as well. Euronews has a live stream on YouTube.

 

[Jonny]

I would have thought that was fairly obvious, what used to be the Labour Party until Comrade Corbyn and Marxist Mcdonell became Leader and Shadow Chancellor.

The one that's still called the Labour Party, you mean?

Not in my eyes it isn’t, Which is why I don’t refer to them as the Labour Party anymore, however I won’t dwell on it as this about the EU and not what you call the Labour Party.

It's still called the Labour Party last time I checked.

I have called it the Liebour party before - as a play on words on its name. That was before the current leadership.

My view is that Mrs May has got a very poor deal and much as I would like a deal, I would like to see that we are not rule takers - however much that costs. There are elements that Liebour would take because it suits them. No deal would be a better option than the current arrangement.

 

[LOL The Irony]

Just as long as we get a deal that means we don't feel the effects of article 13 and it isn't just bending over to the EU (aka all of the cons, none of the benefits), I'll be happy.

 

[AM9]

It must be OK as the squealing of leavers is deafening. Farage said that he was more angry than ever, - so what? If it gets through our fellow EU countries and then the UK government then I imagine we are on a path to a long-term EEA/EFTA/Single Market solution. Sounds like a 'least worst' endgame.
If it doesn't get through then it's general election or second referendum time. Maybe the UK will then understand it's true power over global players, i.e. not very powerful!

 

[Mag_seven]

Farage said that he was more angry than ever, so what?

Is that the same Farage whose children have German passports and will thus be able to enjoy EU freedom of movement whilst denying it to the rest of us? And he's the one whose angry!

 

[thejuggler]

He added: "For the first time in a thousand years, this place, this parliament, will not have a say over the laws that govern this country. It is a quite incredible state of affairs."

So another lie told to us about the eu (we had no control over anything) debunked from the horses mouth. We always had control so what's brexit going to achieve????

Boris just spouts to fill airtime. Any basic analysis by a 10 year old would show him up for what he is.

In 1018 England was ruled as part of Denmark and Norway. There was no UK parliament.

His whole Brexit argument was about sovereignty and the UK needing to exit to take back control. Now he is stating that we lose control of our laws under this new deal. QED we must have been in control before this deal.

 

[northwichcat]

Yes because my passport will be blue....

Just like the holders of Croatian passports (Croatia being an EU member.)

 

[northwichcat]

Given we know hardly anything about the wording of the proposed 'deal' why are we in the position that everyone (whether or not they are in favour of Brexit) seems to be criticising it?

 

[Class37.4]

Given we know hardly anything about the wording of the proposed 'deal' why are we in the position that everyone (whether or not they are in favour of Brexit) seems to be criticising it?

That's a very good question although a fair bit has supposedly leaked out, should really wait until it is published, not very impressed by the reporting of it so far particularly from the BBC ok I expect it from the likes of the Mail and the Express, but I think a little less negatively from the BBC might be more useful and balanced.

 

[thejuggler]

Given we know hardly anything about the wording of the proposed 'deal' why are we in the position that everyone (whether or not they are in favour of Brexit) seems to be criticising it?

It has to be expected when no one at any point has ever defined what Brexit actually is or what the outcomes were to be.

 

[northwichcat]

Is that the same Farage whose children have German passports and will thus be able to enjoy EU freedom of movement whilst denying it to the rest of us? And he's the one whose angry!

Farage has children? Put them in to care for their own protection.

 

[mmh]

Wibble about Farage's children

Stay classy, remainers

 

[Geezertronic]

It has to be expected when no one at any point has ever defined what Brexit actually is or what the outcomes were to be.

David Cameron certainly gave defining Brexit a good go before the referendum was called and also in his "plea speech" before the referendum so I don't agree that no one had a go at defining it, even if 51.9% of people who voted didn't believe/agree with him

 

[AM9]

Farage has children? Put them in to care for their own protection.

Oh for a like button.

 

[AM9]

David Cameron certainly gave defining Brexit a good go before the referendum was called and also in his "plea speech" before the referendum so I don't agree that no one had a go at defining it, even if 51.9% of people who voted didn't believe/agree with him

So if the negotiated plan is what is being reported, then we'll have a 51.9% exit from the EU. That's fine by me because the 48.1% represents staying within a customs union, especially as that wasn't mentioned on the offical ballot paper.

 

[EM2]

I have called it the Liebour party before - as a play on words on its name. That was before the current leadership.

Like the Conservative Party.

 

[Howardh]

I'm stood outside Downing street right now, hoping someone might pop out and ask if I want a go. Think I'd rather go down the pub, but not sure who's more bemused, the cabinet, parliament or the foreigners watching on.

 

[Domh245]

I imagine we are on a path to a long-term EEA/EFTA/Single Market solution. Sounds like a 'least worst' endgame.

I'd personally argue that staying in the EU would have been the 'least worst' endgame, but to each their own

 

[AM9]

I'd personally argue that staying in the EU would have been the 'least worst' endgame, but to each their own

So do I but that's not on offer until there's another referendum or a general election. Which is why a 'walk-away in a huff' exit isn't as bad as it might seem - except in the short term.

 

[507021]

Like the Conservative Party.

Sometimes I wish this forum had a 'like' button.

 

[birchesgreen]

So Theresa May speaks and then the BBC cross for some analysis... Sammy Wilson and Crispin Blunt and a remainer... oh wait no. The Bs in the BBC don't stand for balance anymore.

 

[DarloRich]

Somehow the PM has got her cabinet on side but there seems no way parliament will support her. Has she simply postponed the execution?

 

[EM2]

'It’s this, no deal or no Brexit.'
An interesting turn of phrase...

 

[AM9]

Somehow the PM has got her cabinet on side but there seems no way parliament will support her. Has she simply postponed the execution?

But who will step forward and take on the job? They all know that the EU isn't going to crumble just because a confirmed leaver strides into the room, and none of them want to be at the helm when a walk-out is declared, (even Mogg)! That is the position that she must realise by now.
It's interesting that a former Prime Minister is now taking an active interest in the situation and says that there isn't a choice other than a second referendum.

 

[Mag_seven]

I'm stood outside Downing street right now

So it was you I could hear shouting "Stop Brexit" while the PM made that announcement?

 

[Muttley]

Somehow the PM has got her cabinet on side but there seems no way parliament will support her. Has she simply postponed the execution?

There won't be an execution. If there was then somebody else would have to stand up and be the person that 50% (+/-2%) blame.
She'll live on, but not to fight the next GE.

Obviously it's not good for UK PLC, but that's politics for you.

 

[Cowley]

So it was you I could hear shouting "Stop Brexit" while the PM made that announcement?

I just walked into the kitchen and heard that on the radio. Absolutely extraordinary.

 

[DarloRich]

There won't be an execution. If there was then somebody else would have to stand up and be the person that 50% (+/-2%) blame.
She'll live on, but not to fight the next GE

But who will step forward and take on the job? They all know that the EU isn't going to crumble just because a confirmed leaver strides into the room, and none of them want to be at the helm when a walk-out is declared, (even Mogg)! That is the position that she must realise by now.
It's interesting that a former Prime Minister is now taking an active interest in the situation and says that there isn't a choice other than a second referendum.

.

Obviously it's not good for UK PLC, but that's politics for you.

But surely.if she fails to get parliament to agree the deal she is finished

 

[Puffing Devil]

Quick glance looks like a Norway+ model. Better than crashing out, certainly not as good as staying in.

 

[Cowley]

But surely.if she fails to get parliament to agree the deal she is finished

I don’t know how many of her nine lives she’s been through but who else wants the job right now?
These are strange times.