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In the NR General discussion they've got quite a few threads about prospective drivers on the national network etc, so I've created one for prospective LU drivers.

Does anyone here drive on the LU?
If so, can you please give us a brief talk about pay, training, shifts and requirements etc.
That goes to anyone who knows anything about it as well :grin:

Cheers.
 
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DavyCrocket

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Train Operators are on a 36 hour week, with about 9 weeks annual leave. Pay is £40k.
Entitled to 30 minutes unpaid meal relief per 8 hour shift, though meal relief time is longer to aid train service recovery. There is no compulsory overtime and rest day working is not permitted.

Train Operators are based at a Train Crew depot on a line and are either on a fixed term roster (ie 140 train ops = 140 week roster) or in a pool where turns are advised 28 days in advance. Earl's Court and Acton Town (District) are the only ones that require the learning of two stocks (C and D).

Shifts vary from outside earlies 4am book on, to outside earlies finishing at 2am, plus nights and various daytime book ons. Most depots have "family friendly" rostering where management put you in a link that you prefer (with waiting lists and seniority) or a mafia.

There is an extensive staff taxi network to get you to work, then other taxis or staff trains to take you from booking on locations to depots or sidings.

Metronet and Tubelines also employ drivers. Metronet run the Test Trains unit, running trains from one line to another (stock transfers), testing new stock such as the 09TS or running Sarah Siddons or the 38TS. (Though at times this does require the presence of an LUL Train Operator and Manager). Tubelines run the Transplant engineers trains and plant such as battery and schoma diesel locos, tampers and the like.
 
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blackcat

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Train Operators are on a 36 hour week, with about 9 weeks annual leave. Pay is £40k.

Absolute disgrace for standing there, drinking tea and with little responsibility except for following orders over the radio. No wonder my ticket costs so much. We should have a Ronald Reagan scenario with the air traffic controllers, where all drivers are sacked and re-employed at a more reasonable rate which we can afford.
 

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Absolute disgrace for standing there, drinking tea and with little responsibility except for following orders over the radio. No wonder my ticket costs so much. We should have a Ronald Reagan scenario with the air traffic controllers, where all drivers are sacked and re-employed at a more reasonable rate which we can afford.

Having just completed a 3 week train operators rules and procedures course, and failing first time round, I have come to respect LU train operators a lot more than that. Up until Trains R&P I had 90%+ on all of my courses from LU, and R&P is the first & easiest step towards becoming a train op.
The trains course is a 13 week course, where you are bombarded with information and expected to absorb everything. Get one part of an 8 part question wrong twice in your final assessment (end of module) and automatically you fail.

The job may not be much day to day but they work as hard as hell to get there, and when things go wrong, you'll be the punter sitting there waiting for the guy in the uniform to tell you what to do, to get you and your felling passengers out of danger as quickly and safely as possible.

EDIT: Also, for the record, I passed on my re-sit, but to show how hard it was, I was the only person on the course to pass at all.
 

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Playing the trump card already ? We're responsible for our own safety in such a situation, but I'd help and follow any good advice, but this sort of thing happens a once in a blue moon.
 

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Yes, it does happen once in a blue moon. But when it does happen, you need a trained member of staff.

Faults happen fairly often. If you've got a crush load, peak service with a fault, with no member of staff on board, what're you going to do as a passenger? The priority is to get the train moving so you don't have people stuck in tunnels - when that happens, people tend to faint. A passenger can't be responsible for themselves in that situation because they won't be able to do anything, they'll be standing on a broken train in a tunnel. You could argue you could have a fitter at every station who would walk to the train. Then you've got the time it takes for them to be alerted, them walking to the train, looking at the systems in the cab to work out whats wrong, fighting their way to the correct part of the train to correct the fault - it would delay it all by too much.

A situation to look at is, summer time, rush hour, crush loaded trains, 3 trains in a tunnel between stations. The lead train has something simple go wrong - a blown fuse - but the safety circuit has been tripped. You'd need to get a member of staff to the train to reset it all, and replace the fuse - this can be done easily, fair enough. However, in the time it's taken for this to happen, two people have fainted on the 2nd train - (before you say that's once in a blue moon, it's a daily occurrence at many stations). Someone has pulled a passenger emergency alarm. The train has lost it's round train circuit, needs to be manually over-ridden. The third train has been sitting in the previous station, causing trains behind that to queue up in tunnels. All of this has delayed the service, creating bigger gaps, longer dwell times, less space on trains. You need quick action to get a train moving to keep the service going to transport passengers.

I'm not trying to play a trump card. As I said previously, before I commented, "Having just completed a 3 week train operators course...". Before that, I was under the impression that train operators were lazy, incompetent, didn't see the big picture whatever. Only after having sat a trains course myself do I see what they have to know to be sitting there, and see why they are needed.
 

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Ok a few more bits of info new recruits use to take 6 months to train ,no more new recruits for the furture internal staff only now mainly from (csa) customer station assistant, if you move line it take a about 2 months to train up for the new line what include stock theory rule and reg and line trainning, line training takes about 6 weeks ,
many years ago on the northern line you had 5 different train to driver 38 56 59 62 and 72 the first 4 being more or less the same but you needed to no a hole different set of defects on the 72 stock but it was more fun :)
 

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Absolute disgrace for standing there, drinking tea and with little responsibility except for following orders over the radio. No wonder my ticket costs so much. We should have a Ronald Reagan scenario with the air traffic controllers, where all drivers are sacked and re-employed at a more reasonable rate which we can afford.


Self-important people like you make me laugh; your not an M.P. by any chance?
 

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Self-important people like you make me laugh; your not an M.P. by any chance?


You think 40K is too high? Well, it's not! The risk of terrorism, very unsociable hours, long days and weekends, uhmmm.... let me think... which one would I go for if I wanted a quiet life?

My dad is on 35K for working for the Government.... and no, he is not an M.P. The hightest risk he has is getting a paper cut. Nice warm office, company vehicle (he needs it the places he goes).

Too much? Definitely!




What is the minimum age to become a tube driver?
 

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What is the minimum age to become a tube driver?

18. As I started the scheme when I was 16 as opposed to being 17, if I choose to go down the train op route as soon as I turn 18 I'd start the 13 week block train-op training, and would start driving after that.

At this moment in time, I believe the current youngest train operator on the underground is Seth who is around on some of the forums.
 

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You think 40K is too high? Well, it's not! The risk of terrorism, very unsociable hours, long days and weekends, uhmmm.... let me think... which one would I go for if I wanted a quiet life?

My dad is on 35K for working for the Government.... and no, he is not an M.P. The hightest risk he has is getting a paper cut. Nice warm office, company vehicle (he needs it the places he goes).

Too much? Definitely!




What is the minimum age to become a tube driver?

Why do you think my comments were directed at you, for your information I'am a tube driver and I was insulted by the comments of blackcat who thinks we all stand around drinking tea.
 

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who thinks we all stand around drinking tea.

You do, only kidding. I joined LU as an SA in 95, 6 weeks later I was a Signalman on the Central, 18 months later a Train Op on the Central, 3 months later and for the last 10 years on LU I was at Wood Lane.

The whole time I was on LU I accepted that I'd signed up for shift work, that means in the case of Station Staff and Train Ops. getting up to go to work at around 0245 and not getting home after the graveyard shift sometimes at 0300...... where am I going with this.

Well, it really gets my goat when Joe Public moan on about the over paid Tube Staff who incidentally, have to put up with there late night antics, pewking on the infrastructure, being bloody stupid...... I can go on, they then have the audacity to complain about the hard won working conditions for what in reality is an arse of a job when it comes to a social life.

Whose the first person Joe Public looks for when there's trouble about, Train Op. and Station Staff.

Before JP starts moaning about Railway Staff just for once think about what they have to go through to get you home, a 'one under' maybe, breaking your kneck for a pee, no cushy bog on a train,and of course the above very unsocialable hours.

How many of those DROPS (Direct Recruit Train Operators, rember them)Train Ops. survived after passing out, no more cushy 9-5 at Ashfield, this is reality, 'I didn't realise I had to get up that early AND work weekends' and off they went....... cushy it aint.
 

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I was a guard on the Northern Line in the late 60s, at the time when it really deserved its "Misery Line" nickname; running 6 car trains with cancellations as well was really fun!

Nothing has really changed in all the years since then; like the Motorman of my day, train staff are paid for what they know - not what they normally do every day.

And unless the whole system was ultra reliable and went driverless that will never change. I for one would never entertain travelling in a deep level tube tunnel without at least a driver in the front cab.
 

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Is there a culture within train drivers on the Tube, more so the rail enthusiast types of videoing or taking photos during their shifts?

I've seen lots of drivers on Melbourne's trains taking photos from their cabs and videoing their journey's. There is one particular driver that does this and he makes DVD's and sells them to younger enthusiasts.

So does this happen with drivers in the tube?

And for younger enthusiasts there is also opportunities to get 'cab rides' in the front of the trains on a normal run. This normally happens if the driver is an enthusiast as well and is nice enough to let you in the cab, or you see a driver you know and he'll let you in. Do 'cab rides' happen at all on tube trains or would it simply never happen?
 

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It's very unlikely that the tube driver would let you ride up front on a spur of the moment as you need to have a cab pass. I believe that you can apply to the LU film office online and they may be book a time where you will be able to ride up front with a camera ( I think it costs though).
 

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Take a step ladder with you, and if you're like my colleague at work (and he has the video to prove it), then you may be invited into the cab.

And, no, you don't tell anyone exactly what day or time it was!
 

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Take a step ladder with you, and if you're like my colleague at work (and he has the video to prove it), then you may be invited into the cab.

And, no, you don't tell anyone exactly what day or time it was!

How does that work?
 

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I have no idea how it worked - but the driver invited him to ride up front - and so he did (and filmed it so we know it wasn't just him making it up). He was then told to get out later on, as he may be spotted when the train was outside.

I am not sure why the driver did it - but it did stop him having to board a rather crowded train with a step ladder!!

Not something that's likely to be repeated - unless that particular driver does it a lot! If he does, I suspect he may now be an ex-driver.
 

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Hi guys,

I've posted information about a documentary I'm making about the London Underground in another topic (titled "one under") and just wanted to point any LU staff in this thread to it.

I'd really appreciate and help that any of you can give.
 

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Hi there

On trips that weren't busy I used to leave the "J" door open, and few people would come and have a look, they wouldn't actually come into the cab, dunno why?

Cheers
DJ737 (former Picc Guard/Train Op-Wood Green & Victoria OP, now in Australia)
 

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Hi there

Nice job.

I had "one under" at Wood Green on the west, in I think it would have been 1989 or thereabouts.

No counselling then.

Internal interview with the Group Manager and police statements were undertaken in the club at the top of the escalators. (Is it still there?) with a few nerve settlers, although it was only 8am, I had the keys to the club, but thats another story:lol:

Cheers
 

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I think you've made it very well - thought provoking without being insensitive. You will have my support if you continue it.
 

JohnHaynes

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Wow, thanks guys! I am really considering taking it further, so I'm glad of your support.

John
 
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