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Just wondering if anyone can help .

Intend to do Glasgow to Falkirk Grahamston then up to Dunblane then down to Edinburgh . Then back to Glasgow .

This is before it goes electric . Just wondering what combo of tickets would be best ? A return to Falkirk and a Edinburgh to Dunblane return?
 
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route101 said:
Just wondering if anyone can help .

Intend to do Glasgow to Falkirk Grahamston then up to Dunblane then down to Edinburgh . Then back to Glasgow .

This is before it goes electric . Just wondering what combo of tickets would be best ? A return to Falkirk and a Edinburgh to Dunblane return?
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That wouldn't cover you to get back to Falkirk from Edinburgh. Glasgow-Edinburgh plus Falkirk-Dunblane would be OK. There may be a cleverer option though.
 
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30907 said:
That wouldn't cover you to get back to Falkirk from Edinburgh. Glasgow-Edinburgh plus Falkirk-Dunblane would be OK. There may be a cleverer option though.
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Thanks . Is a Glasgow to Edinburgh valid via Falkirk Grahamston and Cumbernauld
 
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The Scotrail journey-planner says that Glasgow-Cumbernauld-Falkirk Grahamstown-Edinburgh is fine on a £13 Glasgow-Edinburgh offpeak day return.

Or everything the OP wants to do would be covered by a £39 Central Scotland Rover valid for 3 days.
 
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Romilly said:
The Scotrail journey-planner says that Glasgow-Cumbernauld-Falkirk Grahamstown-Edinburgh is fine on a £13 Glasgow-Edinburgh offpeak day return.

Or everything the OP wants to do would be covered by a £39 Central Scotland Rover valid for 3 days.
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According to the guard on the trstr from Queen st to Falkirk , the ticket to Edinburgh is not valid . Let me away with it .
 
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ForTheLoveOf said:
I wonder what their basis for saying that is!
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Considering that from December there will be a direct service from Glasgow to Edinburgh via Cumbernauld & Falkirk G.
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Probably a confused guard because currently going via Cumbernauld & Falkirk G isn't the fastest way between Glasgow & Edinburgh
 
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route101 said:
He said there's direct trains from Queen st to Edinburgh . Wonder if this is the case when the through services start in December?
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That you're not on a through train where one is available is not a reason to claim a ticket is invalid (unless there were somehow a ticket valid only on through trains, which there isn't here!).
 
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route101 said:
Is a Glasgow to Edinburgh valid via Falkirk Grahamston and Cumbernauld
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Yes. All mapped Permitted Routes between Glasgow Group and Edinburgh Group are shown on map EG. These are:
  1. Glasgow Group - Springburn - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh Group
  2. Glasgow Group - (Lenzie) - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh Group
  3. Glasgow Group - Bellgrove - Springburn - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh Group
  4. Glasgow Group - Bellgrove - (Bathgate) - Edinburgh Group
  5. Glasgow Group - Motherwell Group - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh Group
  6. Glasgow Group - Motherwell Group - (Shotts) - Edinburgh Group
  7. Glasgow Group - Motherwell Group - Carstairs - Edinburgh Group.
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According to the guard on the trstr from Queen st to Falkirk , the ticket to Edinburgh is not valid.
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The guard was incorrect. If your Glasgow Queen St - Cumbernauld - Falkirk Grahamston train leaves from the main train shed, it will follow Permitted Route 1 above. If it leaves from the lower suburban platforms, it will follow Permitted Route 3 above.
 
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Via Cumbernauld is valid on an Edinburgh to Glasgow ticket. I also accept via Larbert whether it's valid or not as it is reasonable in my opinion.
 
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This appears to allow Glasgow Group - (Newton or avoiding Newton) - Motherwell Group - Coatbridge Central - Cumbernauld - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh.
 
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John @ home said:
Yes. All mapped Permitted Routes between Glasgow Group and Edinburgh Group are shown on map EG. These are:
  1. Glasgow Group - Springburn - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh Group
  2. Glasgow Group - (Lenzie) - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh Group
  3. Glasgow Group - Bellgrove - Springburn - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh Group
  4. Glasgow Group - Bellgrove - (Bathgate) - Edinburgh Group
  5. Glasgow Group - Motherwell Group - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh Group
  6. Glasgow Group - Motherwell Group - (Shotts) - Edinburgh Group
  7. Glasgow Group - Motherwell Group - Carstairs - Edinburgh Group.
The guard was incorrect. If your Glasgow Queen St - Cumbernauld - Falkirk Grahamston train leaves from the main train shed, it will follow Permitted Route 1 above. If it leaves from the lower suburban platforms, it will follow Permitted Route 3 above.
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Interesting , he said its not valid and asked how was getting to Edinburgh from Falkirk . I guesshe had never seen it before .
 
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reb0118 said:
I also accept via Larbert whether it's valid or not as it is reasonable in my opinion.
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Yes. Edinburgh - Glasgow is valid via Larbert. The validity is derived from
National Routeing Guide - Instructions said:
If a single code is indicated the route is via any route on that map from the first routeing point to the final routeing point without doubling back.
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This allows, for example, Glasgow Group - (Lenzie) - (Larbert) - Falkirk Group - Edinburgh Group.
 
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ForTheLoveOf said:
That you're not on a through train where one is available is not a reason to claim a ticket is invalid (unless there were somehow a ticket valid only on through trains, which there isn't here!).
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That would presumably be possible using route 00001 (DIRECT) surely?
 
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A Challenge said:
That would presumably be possible using route 00001 (DIRECT) surely?
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That route is no longer in use on any passenger flows. In any case, it is ambiguous what is meant (certainly just from what an old-style ticket would say on it, "DIRECT"). Does it mean that you just can't take non-circuitous permitted routes (whatever the definition of that is)? Does it mean you can only use the shortest route? Only a through train?

It is a very confusing routeing and so this is one kind of 'simplification' that I agree it was good to have abolished.
 
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