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Companies That You Expect to Disappear Soon

Iskra

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Yes they would. They'd have to apply for the counter, install the counter and computer systems, train the staff, etc. And how long would all that take? When companies go bust, they often do so quite quickly and with little warning.

Surely you'd just move all the existing systems and staff. You could do it in a week. Shopfitting companies will work day and night when needed (and if paid to). I've seen empty units trading as businesses within 3 days before.
 
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If WHSmith were to do a Woolworths and go bust one day, then that would lead to a number of towns no longer having a Post Office counter. That would make the PO's branch outsourcing plan look rather foolish.

The WHSmith post office I frequently use is a WHSmith franchise. I suspect the post office will remain and the franchisee change his brand.
 

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The WHSmith post office I frequently use is a WHSmith franchise. I suspect the post office will remain and the franchisee change his brand.

It seems WHSmith are winding down their franchising operation so the brand might change sooner than you think. They are opening more Post Offices though.

https://www.betterretailing.com/wh-smith-to-wind-down-local-franchise

WH Smith is to 'wind down' its Local franchise following a £2m annual decline in its high street trading profit.

A restructure of its franchise business will be conducted alongside upcoming closures of six high street branches. WH Smith, which currently has 607 shops on the high street, did not give a date for when the review would be completed.

Stephen Clarke, WH Smith group chief executive, said: "We are not ignoring the broader challenges on the UK high street and, during the second half, we conducted a business review to ensure our high street business is fit for purpose now and for the future."

Mark Dudden, who manages a WH Smith Local in Cardiff, told RN he had not received any communication about the review. "I run the only WH Smith Local in Cardiff, but I'm not too concerned about losing the franchise as I can continue running my post office. Hopefully I can continue receiving WH Smith-branded products, such as stationery through wholesale because they're some of my bestsellers."

The restructure comes as the business announced high street trading profit fell to £60m for the 12 months to the end of August. Total revenue also declined by 3% in the same period.

The company also announced that it has signed a new agreement to franchise an additional 40 Post Office stores. WH Smith expects the branches to open throughout 2019, which will bring the total number of post offices within a WH Smith high street shop to 208.
 

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Looks like I am wrong again!

Told you they were safe as houses...
Congratulations. You have a career ahead of you dealing on the stock exchange! It looked very dicey yesterday (which is why I would be absolutely useless predicting share prices). I'd buy you one of their cakes but I think I'd have to take out a bank loan first!
I guess you would have made a killing on PV shares, if you had been able to buy them yesterday lunchtime (and sold them soon).
 

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Yes they would. They'd have to apply for the counter, install the counter and computer systems, train the staff, etc. And how long would all that take? When companies go bust, they often do so quite quickly and with little warning.
When there was a problem in a town near me they brought in a mobile post office, staff I think were crown post office staff. The Post Office would find a solution - maybe temporary in the first place, maybe queues. Might take a day or two, but there would be a solution. If not, they know there would be such odium!
 

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Tim Hortons , well maybe not . In there Glasgow Branch and been chaos last few times with them not having products once people have ordered .
 

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Apparently Cash Convertors are a franchise based operation. And recession-proof if their website is to be believed
https://www.cashconvertersfranchise.co.uk/

Cash converters is indeed franchised (I worked for a franchise many years ago) As for recession proof. It depends on the location of the shop and on how it is run. If the shop is in a really poor area it will fail as they need people to buy stock. If it’s too affluent again it will likely fail as they won’t be buying enough.

You need a mix of affluence but after a bargain, poverty and workers who are expert negotiators. If just one of the three are missing then you’ll likely find the shop fails.
 

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Gourmet Burger Kitchen looks to be closing some restaurants. Isn't that another place which tries to get away with selling burgers for £10 because they come served on a wooden chopping board?

Gourmet Burger Kitchen (GBK) says it has earmarked 17 restaurants for closure after running up millions of pounds of losses.

The chain, owned by South Africa's Famous Brands, has filed for a Company Voluntary Arrangement - an insolvency process that allows struggling firms to close unprofitable stores.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45962981
 

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Gourmet Burger Kitchen looks to be closing some restaurants. Isn't that another place which tries to get away with selling burgers for £10 because they come served on a wooden chopping board?

For £10 I'd expect to be able to keep the chopping board.
 

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Tim Hortons , well maybe not . In there Glasgow Branch and been chaos last few times with them not having products once people have ordered .

Can't see Tim Horton's going anywhere ! Though I'm always a little wary of north American franchises in the UK as they either do spectacularly well and become entrenched, or fizzle and die in a relatively short space of time. Will be interesting to see how Denny's fares once it opens beyond its one site in Swansea. Taco Bell appears to be hanging on pretty well - second time lucky, maybe..it previously died a death in London back in the 90s.

Also I wish Wendy's would return. It's been nearly 20 years.
 

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Tim Hortons products showed up in a few Spar shops in Cardiff around a decade ago, and then quietly disappeared.

I'd be very happy to find someone selling their wholewheat carrot and orange muffins on this side of the pond!
 

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Tim Hortons , well maybe not . In there Glasgow Branch and been chaos last few times with them not having products once people have ordered .

The Silverburn branch certainly seems popular, having never tried it though so can't comment on product availability.
 

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Debenhams to report a £500m loss and close a third of its stores, say Sky News

https://news.sky.com/story/debenham...-240-year-history-as-stores-face-axe-11534561

Debenhams, Britain's biggest standalone department store chain, will announce the biggest loss in its 240-year history on Thursday as it sets out a plan to shrink its footprint in a radically shifting retail environment.

Sky News can reveal that Debenhams will report a statutory annual loss of almost £500m for the year to 1 September.

The mass of red ink on its accounts will arise from an overall charge of more than £500m - offsetting underlying profits of about £33m - relating to goodwill and impairments connected to store leases and IT systems.

Alongside the full-year loss, Debenhams will confirm the closure of one-third of its 165 stores over the next five years, a stark upward revision from earlier guidance that around ten of its stores were facing the axe.

That closure programme will entail the eventual loss of thousands of jobs from its 27,000-strong UK workforce, although Debenhams is not expected to set out details of the headcount changes or affected individual stores on Thursday.

Approximately 5,000 jobs are ultimately expected to be affected by the existing restructuring plans over a five-year period.

Sources close to Debenhams emphasised that the writedowns were non-cash items and did not affect the company's financial position.

The goodwill charge, which will be in the region of £300m, dates back to the 2003 purchase of the department store chain by a consortium of private equity firms, they added.

One insider described the results presentation as an attempt to mark a clean break with the past led by Rachel Osborne, Debenhams' new finance director.

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Its dividend will be axed, while roughly £70m earmarked for capital expenditure will be cancelled.

The figures will underline the scale of the challenge facing the business, which is led by Sir Ian Cheshire as chairman and Sergio Bucher, the former Amazon executive who took the reins as chief executive in 2016.

In addition to the 50 stores now expected to close, a further 15 were described by an insider as being "on the margins" of the core Debenhams estate.


However, the ability to shrink its store portfolio will depend on the co-operation of landlords, many of home have been scarred by a series of retail sector restructurings and collapses this year.

Carpetright, Mothercare and New Look were among the chains which turned to controversial Company Voluntary Arrangements (CVAs) - mechanisms which imposed steep financial haircuts on creditors, including the owners of their stores.

Debenhams denied in September that it was drawing up plans to launch a CVA, and people close to its board say it is hopeful that it can restructure the business through direct negotiations with landlords rather than needing to resort to a formal process.

"This is about working through a consensual effort to give this business an investable future," said one.

Shares in Debenhams have fallen by more than 80% over the last year amid growing doubts about whether it can avoid the fate of its rival, House of Fraser (HoF), which slid into administration during the summer.

HoF was swiftly acquired by Sports Direct International, run by the billionaire tycoon Mike Ashley, whose company is also the largest shareholder in Debenhams.

Analysts predict that he will mount a bid for the listed chain, possibly through any insolvency process it could be forced to resort to.

Debenhams, which now has a market value of just over £100m, has nevertheless unveiled a new store blueprint that it believes can revive its fortunes.

An 88,000 square foot outlet in Watford, which offers a personal shopping service, is said to have drawn a positive response from customers in its first few weeks of trading.

It is also understood to be trading strongly on digital platforms.
 

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Can't see Tim Horton's going anywhere ! Though I'm always a little wary of north American franchises in the UK as they either do spectacularly well and become entrenched, or fizzle and die in a relatively short space of time. Will be interesting to see how Denny's fares once it opens beyond its one site in Swansea. Taco Bell appears to be hanging on pretty well - second time lucky, maybe..it previously died a death in London back in the 90s.

Also I wish Wendy's would return. It's been nearly 20 years.

Ive not heard of many Timmies opening in last few months . Heard its company that owns Burger King thats behind it . Just dont think the quality is that great in Timmies .
Taco Bell is franchises . Not many but few opening .

Dennys opening in Glasgow soon.
 

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The Silverburn branch certainly seems popular, having never tried it though so can't comment on product availability.

Walked past that branch few times . Only been in Agyle st one .Was ok when it first opened but standards have slipped .
 

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Walked past that branch few times . Only been in Agyle st one .Was ok when it first opened but standards have slipped .

Never tried any of them, I believe they are or at least were planning to open more branches - so presumably they can't be doing that badly.
 

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I don't know why the have landside stores at Airports - at least outside the South East. Their prices are far higher than the competition (Boots, Greggs and even Spar) for food/drink and what's the point of selling London Tourist Board stuff in an International Terminal at a Regional Airport?

I can never understand why Smiths didn`t go under years ago. They sell nothing unique at good prices. Maybe it`s the stations and airports that keep them fluid.
 

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Mike Ashley to 'park his tanks on their lawn' and eventually get them to accept a derisory bid for the rest of the share capital he doesn't own yet, merge it with House of Fraser and turn them into another version of his tat sports shop
There'll be a lack of competition in the chavware sector in that case...
 

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Mike Ashley to 'park his tanks on their lawn' and eventually get them to accept a derisory bid for the rest of the share capital he doesn't own yet, merge it with House of Fraser and turn them into another version of his tat sports shop

At the end of the day, he's got his finger on the pulse as regards retail - people want cheap sportswear hence the success of Sports Direct, and also the likes of Primark etc. Exactly the same as why there's MaccyD's everywhere you look. You have to remain relevant and provide the stuff people want to buy. The likes of Debenhams, HOF, M&S etc are declining because their customers just don't want to buy what they're selling. Pretty simple retail economics really.
 

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Mike Ashley to 'park his tanks on their lawn' and eventually get them to accept a derisory bid for the rest of the share capital he doesn't own yet, merge it with House of Fraser and turn them into another version of his tat sports shop

People keep saying this about debenhams and HoS but whilst i hate the man for what he has done to my football team - he hasnt done that to Flannels who have some rather good brands in their stores - pretty much like HoS has too - if not better, so its really a silly thing to say that he would do the same
 

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Stobart. The Stobart Group want an extortionate amount for the haulage division to continue using the Stobart name and their £17.5 million half year loss. Also the board is a mess.
 

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At the end of the day, he's got his finger on the pulse as regards retail - people want cheap sportswear hence the success of Sports Direct, and also the likes of Primark etc. Exactly the same as why there's MaccyD's everywhere you look. You have to remain relevant and provide the stuff people want to buy. The likes of Debenhams, HOF, M&S etc are declining because their customers just don't want to buy what they're selling. Pretty simple retail economics really.
I don't disagree with what you say but some of the 'high end' retailers where I live seem to be doing quite well. Is it that the retailers that were mentioned in the post are neither cheap or high quality?
 

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