EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[VauxhallandI]

I would imagine that those who do not yet own a home will see a housing market crash as a very good thing indeed, if it brings home ownership closer in reach.

Primarily those who will be hurt by negative equity are speculators or landlords for whom their property is a financial asset rather than a home to live in. For whom many non-homeowners will feel no sympathy at all.

There will be some outlying cases of people forced by circumstances (job move, family etc) to relocate their primary residence, but I'd wager these would be a minority and most owner-occupiers could stay put until the market revives - thus negative equity won't matter.

Plus maybe everyone who has bought a house that hasn't gone up by over 30% since they purchased it? So therefore absolute masses of people in an terrible mess.

Another cracking Brexit benefit, you lot would be dangerous with a vote oh they got one yes that's right.

 

[nidave]

Just a few blow off points, on this thread.

NHS is not free to all. I have to pay for dental treatment, I have to pay to travel and for accommodation in London for treatment twice a year from the north, prescriptions have to be paid for by the vast majority of people. I paid national insurance from the age of 16 and am still paying income tax even as I’m 70.

If we want to give free treatment to immigrants and so called asylum seekers, well we the tax payer will have to pay more tax.

As a child my parents were paying for the second world war bill and I contributed to pay off the national debt. The UK did not get free money like Germany France etc off America. Europe did not give us any recon-pence for freeing them.

Why has Chris Patons lack housing report never been discussed by the liberals of this country?

I voted not to join the common market, but democratically accepted the referendum result. I did not ask for a rerun of the vote.

Mark Carney says house price will fall 30%, good, people will be able to buy a new house at a realistic price.

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1. National insurance is not for the nhs. So fact 1 Wrong. It pays for (but not quite covers the cost) of state pensions and other benefits. Approx 21.5% of government income comes from ni. Your paying for those who curriently receive those benifts. (approx 33.3% of government spending)

The working population will be paying for your pension when you retire. The nhs is funded from general taxation. There was some money ring fenced from ni when Gordon brown was chancellor which is where this missunderstanding comes from
Edit: you say you are 70. You stop paying employees national insurance once you start drawing your state pension. If you are still in employment you should be on ni category c. If not you need to have a chat with your employer.

2. You may pay for prescriptions but you don't pay anywhere near the full cost.
Edit: you say you are over 70. You must get them free.
https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/help-with-health-costs/get-help-with-prescription-costs/

3. Travel and accommodation is not the fault of the nhs that's you. It might be a specialized service in just one hospital. Imagine the cost of paying full market rate for the treatment. You are very lucky

Farage is a toffy nosed c#nt. A merchant banker. You think he gives a toss about anything other than himself then you are wrong.

BTW I get my dental treatment free on the nhs.

Re the BBC.
I think you might be talking about the ebu. This is NOT THE EU. They pay for towards Shared resources like satellites and sharing of footage between other ebu members and its cheaper than doing it all themselves.

The ebu was established in the 50s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Union

The world has moved on from the war. Unless you want everyone to suffer hardship. So much for fighting to make lives better for future generations if when things get better you just can't stand it.

I voted for the good Friday agreement as I wanted a better n. Ireland. I don't do things to try and bring back the troubles just (ignoring the politicians who seem to revel in bringing n. Ireland back to the 70s) because the younger people in n. Ireland have never known being in a bomb or two.

The rest of your post of so full of rubbish and downright lies its amazing.

 

[AM9]

Plus maybe everyone who has bought a house that hasn't gone up by over 30% since they purchased it? So therefore absolute masses of people in an terrible mess.

Another cracking Brexit benefit, you lot would be dangerous with a vote oh they got one yes that's right.

It's a strange country that celebrates a rise in house prices as a sign of economic strength, but a rise in the energy to heat it is a failure. Houses should never be devices of the speculator or profiteer.

 

[nidave]

EU migrant workers contribute £2,300 more per year to UK than average British citizen, study reveals

Taxes will have to rise if Brexit brings strict curbs on EU workers because they pay far more to the public purse than British-born residents, a study warns today.

Migrants from the EU contribute £2,300 more to the exchequer each year in net terms than the average adult, the analysis for the government has found.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rexit-migrants-british-citizens-a8542506.html

 

[Howardh]

It's a strange country that celebrates a rise in house prices as a sign of economic strength, but a rise in the energy to heat it is a failure. Houses should never be devices of the speculator or profiteer.

Since Brexit, our CO2 emmissions seems to have gone off the radar. Clearly we are needing more and more energy, but what is the latest on using renewable sources? As an aside, my July power usage was the lowest ever by a country mile (not counting any periods of long holidays!) due to the warm and dry weather.

 

[SHD]

FWIW, the UK was the biggest recipient of US funding (loans, actually) through the Marshall plan. Even the most basic « fact » in your rant about the post-war era is laughably false.

 

[EM2]

Seeing as the Boris thread was locked, and because the discussion that this came from was about Brexit, I'll drop it in here.
Michael Heseltine this morning described Boris Johnson as “A person who waits to see which way the crowd is running and then dashes ahead of them and says, ‘Follow me!’”

Edited to include exact quote.

 

[Bromley boy]

Seeing as the Boris thread was locked, and because the discussion that this came from was about Brexit, I'll drop it in here.
Michael Heseltine this morning described Boris Johnson as 'the sort of man that sees which way the crowd is walking, then runs to the front and shouts 'Follow me!''

Doesn’t that describe most politicians?

 

[EM2]

Doesn’t that describe most politicians?

I don't think so. Johnson is well known for prevaricating until he can see where public opinion lies. Just look at the two newspaper columns he wrote (one in favour of Remain, one in favour of Leave) which he held off publishing either of, until he was sure which way the wind was blowing.

 

[mmh]

I see Barnier is starting to make noises that no, a physical border in Ireland isn't unavoidable after all and suggesting the sort of arrangement I've been suggesting on here for months, to derision from the The EU Is Always Right brigade. Hohum!

My favourite Brexit Lie I've read today: 'UK issued bank cards won't work in the EU after Brexit.'

 

[EM2]

I see Barnier is starting to make noises that no, a physical border in Ireland isn't unavoidable after all and suggesting the sort of arrangement I've been suggesting on here for months, to derision from the The EU Is Always Right brigade. Hohum!

My favourite Brexit Lie I've read today: 'UK issued bank cards won't work in the EU after Brexit.'

The EU have never wanted a physical border. But the UK's red lines have made it difficult to have it any other way.
And this is nothing new anyway, Barnier said the same last month:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/news/ambitious-partnership-uk-after-brexit-2018-aug-02_en

The biggest risk caused by Brexit is on the island of Ireland. We need to make sure that Brexit does not create a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, and that the Good Friday Agreement, which has brought peace and stability to Northern Ireland, will be protected. Today, the cooperation and exchanges between Ireland and Northern Ireland occur within the common framework of the EU. Since we will not know what the future relationship will bring by Autumn 2018, we need to have a "backstop" solution in the Withdrawal Agreement. The UK agrees with this, and both the EU and the UK have said that a better solution in the future relationship could replace the backstop. What the EU has proposed is that Northern Ireland remains in a common regulatory area for goods and customs with the rest of the EU. We are ready to improve the text of our proposal with the UK.

 

[nidave]

I see Barnier is starting to make noises that no, a physical border in Ireland isn't unavoidable after all and suggesting the sort of arrangement I've been suggesting on here for months, to derision from the The EU Is Always Right brigade. Hohum!

My favourite Brexit Lie I've read today: 'UK issued bank cards won't work in the EU after Brexit.'

No one said the eu is always right. But there has to be a border, they are seperare country's with no treaty after we leave the EU. There will be checks at said border. If the dup were intelegent in any way they would want things going through ni as a route to the UK. it would bring a lot of income into the province and much needed jobs and investment in infrastructure. But instead they bang on about it being unacceptable.

A border on the Irish sea or at the ni/ROI border.


As for bank cards did the repot actually say that or did you just read the headline. Can we have a link please.

 

[nidave]

Damn that nasty nasty EU making big companies pay their fair share of tax. No wonder we can't wait to get rid of the EU when they do things like this.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/19/apple_alleged_state_aid_ireland/

 

[Howardh]

My favourite Brexit Lie I've read today: 'UK issued bank cards won't work in the EU after Brexit.'

Link please.

 

[mmh]

Link please.

https://twitter.com/JasonJHunter/status/1042091094585106433

Complete and utter nonsense.

 

[nidave]

https://twitter.com/JasonJHunter/status/1042091094585106433

Complete and utter nonsense.

Er... You get your news from Twitter. The fact you are resorting to a Twitter quote shows how desperate you are. A legitimate source please.

 

[northwichcat]

https://twitter.com/JasonJHunter/status/1042091094585106433

Complete and utter nonsense.

The EU has stated the passporting financial system will no longer be available in the event of a No Deal Brexit: https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/180731-notice-withdrawal-uk-banking-services_en.pdf

 

[nidave]

The EU has stated the passporting financial system will no longer be available in the event of a No Deal Brexit: https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/180731-notice-withdrawal-uk-banking-services_en.pdf

Does it say that you can't use the bank card abroad on the mastercard or visa system or is someone being a bit over zealous.

Most bank cards are isuued in the UK by these two international companies and while costs may go up in fees I seriously doubt cards will stop working.

 

[northwichcat]

Does it say that you can't use the bank card abroad on the mastercard or visa system or is someone being a bit over zealous.

It's advice issued for banks so you really need to be a banker to be able to say how what is described will affect customers of a bank.

 

[Howardh]

https://twitter.com/JasonJHunter/status/1042091094585106433

That's.............it????

C'mon, you can do better than that.

 

[nidave]

It's advice issued for banks so you really need to be a banker to be able to say how what is described will affect customers of a bank.

But mastercard international and visa international already allow you to use your cards all over the world. I would expect this to continue (as I said with higher fees). Other card issuers might have a problem as might certain types of transactions. For example pre anthorisations on a debit card in the eu after we leave. But I am pretty confident I will still be able to get cash out in the eu with a visa or mastercard.

 

[WelshBluebird]

So May is warning the EU not to demand the unacceptable regarding the Irish border. Umm isn't she forgetting that is pretty much what we are doing?

 

[Bromley boy]

Damn that nasty nasty EU making big companies pay their fair share of tax. No wonder we can't wait to get rid of the EU when they do things like this.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/19/apple_alleged_state_aid_ireland/

What absolute nonsense.

That article is referring to a dispute over state aid which has nothing to do with ensuring a “fair share” (whatever that is) of tax is paid.

How can it be right that the EU is able to override the taxation policy of a sovereign state, set by its democratically elected government (in this case, a policy which helped to attract enormous investment into the country by Apple in the first place)?

 

[Bromley boy]

So May is warning the EU not to demand the unacceptable regarding the Irish border. Umm isn't she forgetting that is pretty much what we are doing?

Since Ireland is an EU member state the Irish border issue is as much the EU’s problem as it is the UK’s.

 

[Clip]

Since Brexit, our CO2 emmissions seems to have gone off the radar. Clearly we are needing more and more energy, but what is the latest on using renewable sources? As an aside, my July power usage was the lowest ever by a country mile (not counting any periods of long holidays!) due to the warm and dry weather.

Source please.

As we are using more and more renewable energy every month/year and we even had one day where we didnt fire up a coal fired power station so ill need to see your source for CO2 going off the radar since the brexit vote(which is very odd)

Because in the same story is this

Greenhouse gas emissions also fell by 3 per cent across the country, thanks largely to a drop in coal use.

So they cant have gone off the radar whilst also falling by 3% can they?

 

[Clip]

Since Ireland is an EU member state the Irish border issue is as much the EU’s problem as it is the UK’s.

yes people fail to see that and think its purely a UK thing. They dont have to have a hard border if they dont want one and the only people who want to impose such a thing would be the EU itself. Funny old world

 

[NSEFAN]

What absolute nonsense.

That article is referring to a dispute over state aid which has nothing to do with ensuring a “fair share” (whatever that is) of tax is paid.

How can it be right that the EU is able to override the taxation policy of a sovereign state, set by its democratically elected government (in this case, a policy which helped to attract enormous investment into the country by Apple in the first place)?

Given that one of the main points of the EU is to facilitate trade between member states, it makes sense to try and have greater commonality in all the EU states when it comes to things like tax. A common complaint about big multi-national companies is that they don't pay their fare share, but if you want to actually deal with this then you have to set common tax rules and rates in all the countries, so arguably the EU should be applauded for taking steps in the right direction?

 

[nidave]

What absolute nonsense.

That article is referring to a dispute over state aid which has nothing to do with ensuring a “fair share” (whatever that is) of tax is paid.

How can it be right that the EU is able to override the taxation policy of a sovereign state, set by its democratically elected government (in this case, a policy which helped to attract enormous investment into the country by Apple in the first place)?

You mean by allowing governments who signed a legally binding agreement to be held accountable for not giving the same tax rates to local businesses. Thereby giving subsidies for a handful of jobs (there are not many who actually work for Apple Ireland) to a trillion dollar company.

If they had of given the same rates to locals then the eu would not have to get involved. Even Ireland admits they under taxed the company and want to recover it but dispute its state aid.

"While the government fundamentally disagrees with the Commission's analysis in the Apple State Aid decision and is seeking an annulment of that decision in the European Courts, as committed members of the European Union, we have always confirmed that we would recover the alleged State aid," he said

It's state aid and Ireland have been caught out. State aid is illigal under eu rules and the fact you are on the side of Apple is sickening.this will go a long way to help the people of Ireland and will open the floodgates for simalar rulings.

Hopefully Vodafone, Amazon, Microsoft, Starbucks etc all end up contributing more compared to the historic low rates compared to local smes.

So your happy with big global business basically playing the system and in ways small companies can't and the various governments loose out on billions of tax revenues ?? Amazon etc must love you. Corporate greed at its finest and you are making excuses for them. The shareholders send their thanks.

 

[nidave]

Since Ireland is an EU member state the Irish border issue is as much the EU’s problem as it is the UK’s.

Ireland are not asking to leave the EU are they. Plus it's the dup who are calling the shots for the conservative government in this matter as it props up the majority.

 

[Bromley boy]

Given that one of the main points of the EU is to facilitate trade between member states, it makes sense to try and have greater commonality in all the EU states when it comes to things like tax. A common complaint about big multi-national companies is that they don't pay their fare share, but if you want to actually deal with this then you have to set common tax rules and rates in all the countries, so arguably the EU should be applauded for taking steps in the right direction?

The state aid rules are supposedly designed to create a level playing field in the EU. The EU has no remit to require member states to set common tax rules (VAT aside).

State aid may include, but isn’t limited to, tax arrangements and is nothing whatsoever to do with ensuring a “fair share”* is paid as the previous poster wrongly stated.

If Ireland wants to incentivise investment by Apple by granting it favourable tax arrangements it should be free to do so, in my view, without any interference from the EU.

*In any case, a “fair share” is surely the minimum amount of tax that is legally required to be paid in accordance with relevant law and accounting principles. How can it possibly be determined in any other way?