Ex-GWR HSTs and Class 90s bought for charter use

[Skymonster]

Repeated bad practice and disdain to the point that many mainline drivers don't want them sharing the same rails? Hopefully LSL don't follow that path with 125mph stock.

You know what I meant... And it wasn't that...

 

[158722]

Their MK2s are currently in blood and custard livery, and all diesels are in BR two-tone green. Given that the 90s were launched in IC livery, which wouldn’t fit with either, could we see a 90 in a fictional pseudo-BR Green livery?

Their recent purchase from HNRC, 47853, has been repainted in standard BR blue as 1733.

 

[alexl92]

Their recent purchase from HNRC, 47853, has been repainted in standard BR blue as 1733.

Interesting, I hadn’t seen that.

One other option then is that they could be adventurous and try repainting them into BR Electric Blue, which would be slightly closer to matching the coaching stock era... Either way it will be interesting to see.

 

[Rob F]

The reason is very simple: it gave one common bodyshell type, with consequent savings in terms of manufacturing costs. It has also made converting vehicles between types much easier over the years.

To the detriment of the passenger environment thereafter.

 

[edwin_m]

To the detriment of the passenger environment thereafter.

If the Mk3 Seconds had had their own bodyshell to line up with the seating layout as first built, then this alignment would have been lost with the first changes in layout which I think were sometime in the 80s. The Mk3 or possibly the Mk2f introduced the idea of attaching seats to slots in the floor airline-style, so the pitch and layout could be changed quite easily.

 

[nat67]

Really?
They're 40 years old, with some corrosion issues.
And completely unsuitable for a 21st century railway.
They are brilliant trains, but 'all good things must come to an end' and that time is sooner rather than later for the HSTs

OK hang on a minute so are all the 47's over 60 years old but they are still working from them and so is a 1930/40's Pullman car.

 

[nat67]

If the idea of running HST's on charter usage they need to make the train layout with all bays of four again and set formation to the required dinning and standard day trip requirement. I.e. TF, TF, TF, TRFB, TS, TSB, TS, TGS.

 

[mpthomson]

If the idea of running HST's on charter usage they need to make the train layout with all bays of four again and set formation to the required dinning and standard day trip requirement. I.e. TF, TF, TF, TRFB, TS, TSB, TS, TGS.

I’m sure they’ll do what their business model tells them to, not what people on forums think. This may or may not be full bays and train consists.

 

[43096]

If the idea of running HST's on charter usage they need to make the train layout with all bays of four again and set formation to the required dinning and standard day trip requirement. I.e. TF, TF, TF, TRFB, TS, TSB, TS, TGS.

HSTs have never been all bays in standard class, with possible exception of Grand Central?

 

[MarlowDonkey]

HSTs have never been all bays in standard class

When they were first built in the 1970s, I don't think "airline" seats had been extended to trains.

 

[43096]

When they were first built in the 1970s, I don't think "airline" seats had been extended to trains.

Mark 3 second class as built had 72 seats; 64 in bays of 4 and 8 in airline seats next to the centre partition.

 

[Mag_seven]

8 in airline seats next to the centre partition.

The consequence of that was that most of the bays of four had seats that did not line up with the windows / had pillars.

 

[edwin_m]

They would have lined up much better if they'd put the rows of airline seats at one quarter and three quarters through the saloon instead of either side of the centre partition. Although then the airline seats would have had a worse view than any of the table seats did in the layout actually adopted.

 

[nat67]

I’m sure they’ll do what their business model tells them to, not what people on forums think. This may or may not be full bays and train consists.

Ok as you know, have you been a West coast charter with MK2's then as I fully remember that there was not a bay of 2 in sight on any standard MK2. And I would imagine the market will be for people not just going from A-B with any train rather more a day out which was the plan.

 

[mpthomson]

Ok as you know, have you been a West coast charter with MK2's then as I fully remember that there was not a bay of 2 in sight on any standard MK2. And I would imagine the market will be for people not just going from A-B with any train rather more a day out which was the plan.

From what’s been said that’s not the market this is aiming at. The seating will be what is needed for the business model to work, whatever that turns out to be. The point is it may be all bays or not but that doesn’t work in an HST for standard class as it’s not how they were designed without very strange seat pitches and wasting space. It does if it’s all first however.