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Link used standard single use flashbulbs, all wired in series so either they all went off or none of them. You can get big electronic flashes that would be practical, though they are usually studio stuff, modern sensors are a lot more sensitive than film so that would help. Link had a huge amount of help and co-operation from the train operators, and yes, fantastic shots.

Alas, I have neither the skill nor the kit to become the Missing Link. I'll be content if I can repeat something like this:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/127646831@N03/albums/72157691411522805

In case anyone is thinking "it'll be dark, no use taking my camera" all these shots were taken with bog ordinary digital cameras. They underline a_c_skinner's point about modern equipment.
 
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Yes indeed! Alstom and Virgin are reviewing why the 390s have this restriction applied as this may be an appropriate time to seek a relaxation.

And I wish them all the luck in the world, but I predict they will fail to get anything changed. Class-specific and traction-specific differentials (SP, MU, EMU, DMU, CS, HST, EPS) are a horrific nightmare populated by historic but irritating exceptions (185, 390). Virgin got their pound of flesh with the Virgin-only EPS and I suspect the response from NR will be (to DfT) will be along the lines of "we've delivered an MU speed good for up to RA5, if you want to change the rules we'll need to go and re-assess the infrastructure against this new question (that could have been resolved years ago, had it been asked). the Northern Hub routes did not have class 390 in their rolling stock specs as revenue services, as back in 2012-2016 when the designs were being worked up no one was proposing a 390-based operation over them, let alone a scheme to run them at faster than PS.

Alternatively, DfT could stump up to fit TASS and re-gauge the routes, then 390 could probably attain 110mph for large parts of the routes (minus Bolton, Euxton, bits of Preston and Poulton, I suspect).
 

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Yes, and as 390s are excluded from MU speeds it enables them to go at 125 where permitted. Are there are MU (multiple unit) or SP (Sprinter) differentials on the Blackpool - Preston section, or just 1 maximum speed?
It would be ironic if the flagship Virgin Pendolino service was actually slower than a Sprinter on the Blackpool - Preston section.

SP is deprecated for new work, as MU applies to more classes of rolling stock (including everything that is SP, and EMU, which SP effectively excludes). In turn the "heaviest" class that comes under MU is route availability (RA) 5 (an HST set, would you believe) so the bridges only have to support RA5 at the MU. If it was an all-trains permissible speed (PS) then they would have to be good to RA8 at this speed, which costs more to achieve. Weirdly, a 390 is RA4 but is not an MU (or EMU).
 

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I don't know about that, but finding all the pop-off searchlights at this late stage would be difficult, I suspect (and very expensive). They were great shots though, were they not?

Link used standard single use flashbulbs, all wired in series so either they all went off or none of them. You can get big electronic flashes that would be practical, though they are usually studio stuff, modern sensors are a lot more sensitive than film so that would help. Link had a huge amount of help and co-operation from the train operators, and yes, fantastic shots.

And I think if they all went off as the Pendolino passed by the testing people would probably think there had just been a very big problem...
 

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As I said, Link worked closely with the railway companies.

Edit, company, it was just the Norfolk and Western. Lots on his wiki page.
 
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Link used standard single use flashbulbs, all wired in series so either they all went off or none of them. You can get big electronic flashes that would be practical, though they are usually studio stuff, modern sensors are a lot more sensitive than film so that would help. Link had a huge amount of help and co-operation from the train operators, and yes, fantastic shots.
I'm confused...can you link some of the photos?
 

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The Bolton News is reporting that Bolton will definitely get a full train service from the December timetable change and that Andy Burnham (GM Mayor) has a letter from Network Rail saying so!

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news...vice_in_Bolton_will_not_start_until_December/

FULL service on the trains will not return until December it has been revealed.

The electrification upgrades to the Bolton lines have caused disruption and the project has been delayed by two years.

In a letter to the Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham yesterday, Network Rail said full service would finally be able to run from Monday, December 10.

Mr Burnham said: "I had a letter today from Network Rail with the date finally, from when full service can run.

"It's December 10, which is still some time off but I have been pressuring them."

The electrification works are part of Network Rail's multi-billion pound Great North Rail Project, part of which is upgrading the 25 mile stretch of line from between Manchester and Preston via Bolton.

Electrification means adding overhead powerlines to tracks and work has included raising bridges and piling.

The piling has delayed the project after unexpected ground conditions, like mine shafts and layers of sand, held up the installation of hundreds of steel columns.

The impact has been felt throughout the town, including in Moses Gate and Church Road in Farnworth and the Hazlemere estate in Kearsley, all of which lie close to electrification sites.

In April at a meeting at the Hazlemere estate Network Rail laid much of the blame at the feet of Carillion, which had been the organisation’s principal contractor until going out of business in January this year.
 

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The Bolton News is reporting that Bolton will definitely get a full train service from the December timetable change and that Andy Burnham (GM Mayor) has a letter from Network Rail saying so!
Not really. Network Rail says it will have works finished that will ALLOW a full service to be run. Whether a full service is run will depend on whether the Northern Rail management can get enough train crew to run such a service. They certainly are failing in that respect at the moment.
 

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Yes, and as 390s are excluded from MU speeds it enables them to go at 125 where permitted. Are there are MU (multiple unit) or SP (Sprinter) differentials on the Blackpool - Preston section, or just 1 maximum speed?
It would be ironic if the flagship Virgin Pendolino service was actually slower than a Sprinter on the Blackpool - Preston section.

Yes there is 60/MU70 between Kirkham and Poulton as it was before any work was done. 185s are limited to 60mph on this section too as they are excluded from all differential speeds.
 

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The Bolton News is reporting that Bolton will definitely get a full train service from the December timetable change and that Andy Burnham (GM Mayor) has a letter from Network Rail saying so!

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news...vice_in_Bolton_will_not_start_until_December/

What do they mean by a 'full train service', is this electric traction or a 7 day service?
Anyway, Bolton has a 'full train service' at peak times thanks to Northern ;)
Electrification is supposed to completed and signed off by the end August, I think the full 7 day timetable supposedly comes in July sometime (wired??). Just the odd weeks at the moment. Not holding my breath.
 

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Yes, but December of which year? I note that, depressingly, this thread was started in June 2012, six years ago, barring a month. Progress has hardly been spectacular has it?

Indeed. Me being naïve thought:
" Fair enough, Farnworth Tunnel is a huge obstacle and barrier -get that done and it will be plain sailing".

How long ago was Farnworth Tunnel complete - amazingly slow progress. Balfour-Beatty, Carillon, running sand, old mine workings etc.
I really am starting to understand how politicians feel. Frustrating.

Will NR learn from these mistakes. The electrification program is in what - its 9th year now? So you would hope they would be up to speed by now.
 
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Yes, but December of which year? I note that, depressingly, this thread was started in June 2012, six years ago, barring a month. Progress has hardly been spectacular has it?

Indeed. Me being naïve thought:
" Fair enough, Farnworth Tunnel is a huge obstacle and barrier -get that done and it will be plain sailing".

How long ago was Farnworth Tunnel complete - amazingly slow progress. Balfour-Beatty, Carillon, running sand, old mine workings etc.
I really am starting to understand how politicians feel. Frustrating.

Will NR learn from these mistakes. The electrification program is in what - its 9th year now? So you would hope they would be up to speed by now.[/QUOTE]

What saddens me is that, for all the fine talk of a much improved rail service, during all the time that the work has been progressing (in a very desultory way, I might add) the poor fare paying public have been subject to bus replacement services, short formed trains, cancellations due to staff shortages (which is frankly inexcusable) cancellations brought about by staff being delayed in reaching their signing on point, (because of cancelled trains, I imagine) weekend closures, delayed engineering works, some because of insolvency, some because of the contractor walking away. Not least are the unforeseen circumstances; mining subsidence for example. What? In Lancashire? Who would have thought it?
Now we have some feeble excuse from Arriva Northern that crew training is using up resources to the extent that they don't seem to be able to maintain a half decent service anywhere. In my opinion, Arriva should lose their franchise and shouldn't be allowed near a railway line again for the next 50 years.
Finally, don't let us forget that the strikes by RMT which might, in other circumstances be seen as an irritating inconvenience are really the last straw in one long sad, sorry saga.
It really shouldn't come as a surprise that Mr & Mrs Joe Public regard the whole enterprise as a total shambles
 

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Indeed. Me being naïve thought:
" Fair enough, Farnworth Tunnel is a huge obstacle and barrier -get that done and it will be plain sailing".
How long ago was Farnworth Tunnel complete - amazingly slow progress. Balfour-Beatty, Carillon, running sand, old mine workings etc.
I really am starting to understand how politicians feel. Frustrating.
Will NR learn from these mistakes. The electrification program is in what - its 9th year now? So you would hope they would be up to speed by now.

Right at the beginning (mid-2009), just after Andrew Adonis authorised Manchester-Liverpool wiring, Network Rail said they were already out surveying the route.
Phrases like "hit the ground running" and "raring to go" were heard.

Site work on the Bolton route actually started before wiring out of Liverpool was complete, and some piling around Salford Crescent was very early on, Christmas 2014 I think.
So 3.3 years and counting, for 25 route miles.
 

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SP is deprecated for new work, as MU applies to more classes of rolling stock (including everything that is SP, and EMU, which SP effectively excludes). In turn the "heaviest" class that comes under MU is route availability (RA) 5 (an HST set, would you believe) so the bridges only have to support RA5 at the MU. If it was an all-trains permissible speed (PS) then they would have to be good to RA8 at this speed, which costs more to achieve. Weirdly, a 390 is RA4 but is not an MU (or EMU).
Thanks for the info!
 

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Right at the beginning (mid-2009), just after Andrew Adonis authorised Manchester-Liverpool wiring, Network Rail said they were already out surveying the route.
Phrases like "hit the ground running" and "raring to go" were heard.

Site work on the Bolton route actually started before wiring out of Liverpool was complete, and some piling around Salford Crescent was very early on, Christmas 2014 I think.
So 3.3 years and counting, for 25 route miles.

I was always surprised that full route blockades for the likes of Chorley Arches and Farnworth were not used to a wider extent. There were some bridge rebuilds undertaken but I was expecting a few more masts, especially in the tunnel, when the line reopened.
 

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Site work on the Bolton route actually started before wiring out of Liverpool was complete, and some piling around Salford Crescent was very early on, Christmas 2014 I think.
So 3.3 years and counting, for 25 route miles.

Indeed it was. Racking my brains, I think it was 2012. I was sat in a meeting at NR about it, the next week coping stones on bridges were going up!
 

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Indeed it was. Racking my brains, I think it was 2012. I was sat in a meeting at NR about it, the next week coping stones on bridges were going up!

Yes, but the 2012 B&C advance bridge works started before the rest of the route design (for electrification) was even started. The remit for the bridge works was so early it caused problems later when newly rebuilt over bridges needed further detailed risk assessments to pass GL/RT1210.
 

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I have received this from an authoritative Orangeman:

"All section proving done and fine.

Test train leaves Preston at 23:25 on Monday next, 14th May. It then leaves Blackpool North heading back to Preston at 00:05.

Hope that helps with getting footage
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I really appreciate being given this notice.

RTT are now showing test train on system.

23:28 - Preston to Blackpool North

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54772/2018/05/14/advanced

00:05 - Blackpool North to Preston

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54773/2018/05/15/advanced

00:45 - Preston to Blackpool North

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54774/2018/05/15/advanced

01:25 - Blackpool North to Preston.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54775/2018/05/15/advanced
 

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Test Train, Monday night: I have been updated by a railwayperson that "there are no plans to slow at Kirkham or Poulton, the train will be passing through close to line speed."
 

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