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Arriva 2018-19 Order Cancelled?
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There are no new vehicles on order for the North West or Wales this year.
A number of vehicle moments are planned which will see route 47 (Liverpool-Southport) converted to double deck and the 11 (Chester-Rhyl) converted to Sapphire.
darloscott
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Have heard from inside that all orders are cancelled however there are plans for improvements with existing stock.
Tetchytyke
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It wouldn't surprise me. Arriva have moved the MAX-spec hybrids away from Newcastle to Leeds/Wakefield in order to comply with Leeds' new emissions regulations, with non-MAX diesel buses coming the other way to replace them. Doing that, rather than buying new, shows something is going on.
No point buying new for new's sake, but equally we have a lot of *very* old buses operating around here. Even the small independents around here aren't using W-reg buses in regular service.
No point buying new for new's sake, but equally we have a lot of *very* old buses operating around here. Even the small independents around here aren't using W-reg buses in regular service.
TheGrandWazoo
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I would point out that hybrid vehicles do have a significant on-cost so it probably makes sense to move them.
The entire industry is drawing its horns at the moment, and not surprising to see Arriva reducing capital spending.
"Sapphire" ADL400s off the 12 & 51-X51 routes out of Rhyl are occasionally used already on the 11.
Interesting that they intend that route to be completely sapphired in future. If they are not ordering new buses, do you know from where the remainder will be obtained?
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The rumours state that the Sapphire buses based in Chester for the 10/10A will go to Rhyl.
That's interesting.
Thank-you.
The plan is:
3033-3042 from Southport to Chester (for the 10).
4479-4488 from Rhyl to Speke.
4556-4565 from Speke to Southport (for the 47).
4637-4635 from Chester to Rhyl (for the 11).
Stevenage has got E300s that are falling apart on the Centraline 300/301.High Wycombe had a few new buses and most of the Tamworth Citaros.Harlow needs some buses for the 724 the Citaros on it are about 12 years .Postponing this makes me wonder what their future plans are.
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I heard the hybrids moved as part of Arriva’s plan to consolidate them at a smaller number of depots, for maintenance purposes.
As it is, the Leeds clean air zone hasn’t been finalised yet, and the Hybrids aren’t just being used on routes to Leeds, so that won’t have caused any urgency.
TheGrandWazoo
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I thought Leeds was closer to go live than that. As for your first point, think you’re right in that the Medway ones have been consolidated with others in the North West.
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I believe that there's a general move, across the country, to better match certain bus types to areas/routes, hence some shuffling around now, and probably for a while to come.
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A batch of Arriva Click minibuses have turned up in North Wales today.
Currently Stored in Wrexham are
RX18 LNE, RX18 LNM, RX18 LNO, RX18 LNP, RX18 LNR, RX18 LNU, RX18 LNV
Whilst RX18 LNH is currently in Chester
Currently Stored in Wrexham are
RX18 LNE, RX18 LNM, RX18 LNO, RX18 LNP, RX18 LNR, RX18 LNU, RX18 LNV
Whilst RX18 LNH is currently in Chester
Tetchytyke
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That isn't what Arriva said when NECA's transport councillors caught wind of what they did!
That probably explains why the allocation I've seen so far today on the 300/1 consists of:
A handful of E300s in new livery
Volvo B7RLE's with route 2 Hemel branding
a Volvo B7RLE with route 310 Hertford - Hoddesdon branding
Wright bodied VDL SB200
Wright Streetlite
Optare Versa
Mercedes Citaro
Agreed the 724 certainly needs some new vehicles with the amount of miles those Citaro's have done pounding between Harlow and Heathrow....preferably in proper Greenline livery too. I do wonder if that's why they have been downgraded to Arriva livery with Greenline branding so it will look more of an impressive change when new Greenline vehicles do arrive and also then the current Citaro's are easier to move elsewhere.
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I noticed that last time I was down. What also confused me was that almost every 321 I saw was one of the batch of 17-plate E200 MMCs, with only one of the branded Streelites - have they been moved elsewhere or was what I saw just unusual?
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Do we know what they have gone to North Wales for?
Is another town going to get an Arriva Click service similar to the one in Sittingbourne, or is another town going to have its conventional town services operated by buses that aren't really big enough as in Sevenoaks?
Your eyes must have failed you as Stevenage or Hemel do not have any Citaros or 310-branded Volvos...
Nope definetely not failed me, I also saw a route 310 branded Volvo on route 2 in Hemel yesterday. I can understand misidentifying a Wright bodied vehicle from another from a distance (ie mistaking a Volvo for a VDL) but the route 310 branding was as clear as is clear. I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine the Citaro either.
With Stevenage ,Ware ,Harlow and Hemel all under Southern Counties anything is possible they shuffle the buses around a lot.
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At least one Citaro is currently on loan from Maidstone, and the 310 branded Volvo is a transfer after the 310 was double-decked.
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