Class 365s to Scotrail

[PYROOGOBBO]

hey will the 365 be going to eastfield by rail or road

 

[Class 170101]

It seems that the timetable has been changed from what was previously in Real Time Trains where the Falkirk Grahamston services were running to Edinburgh and now are not.

 

[59CosG95]

i was talking to a guy on the train and he said to me that the 365's were not in good conditon

likely they will be needing a servicing then?

hey will the 365 be going to eastfield by rail or road

AIUI from the RAIL article, the 365s that are going to ScotRail will be given a bit of TLC (mechanical fixing/the Saltire livery) at Springburn before progressing to Eastfield/Shields Road.

 

[Altnabreac]

It seems that the timetable has been changed from what was previously in Real Time Trains where the Falkirk Grahamston services were running to Edinburgh and now are not.

Given the shortage of stock they won't be launching the Grahamston - Edinburgh service or the Glasgow - Dundee semi fasts until at least December 2018 and probably more likely May 2019.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

AIUI from the RAIL article, the 365s that are going to ScotRail will be given a bit of TLC (mechanical fixing/the Saltire livery) at Springburn before progressing to Eastfield/Shields Road.

A post earlier (or it may have been on the 385 thread) suggested that units going up will be the ones fresh from being handed back from the Great Northern, rather than those which have been gathering dust.

 

[Class 170101]

Given the shortage of stock they won't be launching the Grahamston - Edinburgh service or the Glasgow - Dundee semi fasts until at least December 2018 and probably more likely May 2019.

Wonder if it's easy to route clear Class 365s for North Berwick and Dunbar.

 

[Highlandspring]

I don’t know how easy or otherwise it is but the 365s will have Route Clearance for passenger operation over the E&G (including Greenhill Upper to Polmont via Falkirk Grahamston), to Stirling, Dunblane & Alloa, and on the ECML to North Berwick and Dunbar.

 

[hexagon789]

I don’t know how easy or otherwise it is but the 365s will have Route Clearance for passenger operation over the E&G (including Greenhill Upper to Polmont via Falkirk Grahamston), to Stirling, Dunblane & Alloa, and on the ECML to North Berwick and Dunbar.

Quite a good variety of routes then. That suggests that ScotRail can see a use for them post-Class 385 introduction.

 

[Highlandspring]

I think it’s probably more a case of hedging their bets.

 

[Failed Unit]

AIUI from the RAIL article, the 365s that are going to ScotRail will be given a bit of TLC (mechanical fixing/the Saltire livery) at Springburn before progressing to Eastfield/Shields Road.

They are not in bad condition, but it is fair to say the GTR have not taken the best of care of them as they are going off lease. It appears to the users that pre-emptive maintence is gone and they only fix things when the break.

 

[gingertom]

They are not in bad condition, but it is fair to say the GTR have not taken the best of care of them as they are going off lease. It appears to the users that pre-emptive maintence is gone and they only fix things when the break.

This has to be why the units are going to Shields Road before entering service- an engineer's eye run over them to make sure they are fit for service; if not, make them so.

 

[theblackwatch]

They are not in bad condition, but it is fair to say the GTR have not taken the best of care of them as they are going off lease. It appears to the users that pre-emptive maintence is gone and they only fix things when the break.

One would assume that they were handed back to Eversholt in a condition as stipulated in the lease agreement.

 

[jopsuk]

they need to via the depot so that the depot can familiarise themselves with the trains for when they need to work on them?

 

[gordonjahn]

One would assume that they were handed back to Eversholt in a condition as stipulated in the lease agreement.

I thought they were being subleased rather than return to rosco early then new lease?

I suspect I’ve just lost track of all the stories!

 

[jon0844]

One would assume that they were handed back to Eversholt in a condition as stipulated in the lease agreement.

Fair wear and tear? Might be hard to explain the missing (not stuck or locked open, actually missing) gangway doors!

 

[PYROOGOBBO]

so will they be moving to eastfield by road or will they be going by rail?

 

[Southsider]

so will they be moving to eastfield by road or will they be going by rail?

By rail. It’s over routes they will need clearance for when in service

 

[Highlandspring]

NRAP issued today clearing 365s for driver training and empty stock movements only over a large number of routes in Scotland - too many to list here - including Edinburgh to Glasgow via Falkirk High/Falkirk Grahamston/Carstairs/Shotts. Shoegear and stepboards to be removed

 

[Domh245]

Shoegear and stepboards to be removed

They don't have shoegear, so why would it need to be removed? Also, entirely removing stepboards seems a little peculiar, surely you would want a smaller stepboard fitted in it's place?

 

[Highlandspring]

Just reporting what’s on the documentation...

 

[The_Engineer]

Also, entirely removing stepboards seems a little peculiar, surely you would want a smaller stepboard fitted in it's place?

It allows driver and guard training runs to take place. Meanwhile, route clearance checks are under way. If these reveal any fouls of gauge, if a modified stepboard solves the problem they can be soon modified and refitted. The alternative may be to alter structures (usually platforms) but that's not usually an option where a small fleet of trains is the problem. If the original stepboard size does not give route clearance problems, again they are soon refitable before passenger service.

 

[Domh245]

Good point. I failed to notice that the notice was only for ECS and Driver Training.

 

[ScotTrains]

Will the introduction of the class 365's allow Scotrail to reintroduce First class to the Edinburgh to Glasgow services?

 

[hexagon789]

Will the introduction of the class 365's allow Scotrail to reintroduce First class to the Edinburgh to Glasgow services?

No, I don't think there are re-introducing First Class until the 385s enter service. I'm sute someone said as much in an above post. Besides, the 365s have 2+2 First as well.

 

[D365]

I thought they were being subleased rather than return to rosco early then new lease?

The 21 “odd” Class 365s are being returned to Eversholt first, so I don’t believe the ScotRail deal is linked to Great Northern.

The only connection will be that the ScotRail units appear to be being transferred by road directly from Hornsey (?).

 

[43096]

One would assume that they were handed back to Eversholt in a condition as stipulated in the lease agreement.

That is what you’d hope, but isn’t necessarily always the case with off-lease stock. It probably depends how thorough Eversholt’s handback inspections are - if they are thorough then GTR will either have to fix the issues or pay Eversholt to have them fixed.

 

[ainsworth74]

They don't have shoegear, so why would it need to be removed?

Belts and braces! They shouldn't be there but if they are then they definetly need to be taken off.

 

[D365]

Belts and braces! They shouldn't be there but if they are then they definetly need to be taken off.

Unless the 365s were designed with retractable shoegear, they’d have problems north of St. Neots and Royston.

 

[edwin_m]

There's probably something in the safety case somewhere that says they are allowed to run with shoegear so NR would have to impose a restriction to prevent that.

 

[Failed Unit]

No, I don't think there are re-introducing First Class until the 385s enter service. I'm sute someone said as much in an above post. Besides, the 365s have 2+2 First as well.

But it is an improvement on standard, even if it is 2+2. Unlike the 158s already running on Scotrail. I am sure a passenger would be happier in first on a 365 than a 158?