Class 365s to Scotrail

[Southsider]

But they’re going to have to go via Grahamston. I can’t imagine there will be many if any issues in obtaining clearance for 20 metre EMUs.

 

[hexagon789]

Queen Street Low Level to Cumbernauld, reversing at Springburn. A temporary arrangement until the the E-G via Grahamston service starts.

Can reversals be made at Queen Street Low Level, then?

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

And in terms of clearing, no EMU has ever made it as far as Falkirk Grahamston.

You make it sound as though it's a surprise to Scotrail that there are live wires from Cumbernauld to Falkirk Grahamston.
The plan is to replace the DMUs with EMUs (of whatever type) and move the DMUs to places that need them.

 

[gingertom]

EMU's already work from Glasgow to Cumbernauld, have done for 4 years?

electric trains have indeed worked Cumbernauld-Glasgow since 2014- something to do with Commonwealth games.
318s & 320s (amongst others) are Mark 3 bodyshells which are already cleared for the route beyond Cumbernauld. As LNW-GW Joint said the diesels are earmarked to go off lease soon so I expect to see electric working to Falkirk Grahamston very soon.

 

[Carntyne]

318, 320 and 334 will not work the Grahamston route. It is going to be a 385 route.

 

[mcmad]

Are the wires north of Cumbernauld live and available for use or just live and under testing?

 

[Carntyne]

They are to be treated as live I believe. Testing underway.

 

[gingertom]

318, 320 and 334 will not work the Grahamston route. It is going to be a 385 route.

if the diesels have to go and the 385s still haven't arrived then something else will have to do the route until they do.

 

[InOban]

Can reversals be made at Queen Street Low Level, then?

No. It's the existing service from Dumbarton to Springburn extended.

 

[Stopper]

You make it sound as though it's a surprise to Scotrail that there are live wires from Cumbernauld to Falkirk Grahamston.
The plan is to replace the DMUs with EMUs (of whatever type) and move the DMUs to places that need them.

The E-G via Cumbernauld will not begin until the 385s come in. That’s what I have said all along. It would be different if the route was very high demand, as the E-G via Falkirk is, but in the short term I can’t see any EMU’s going beyond Cumbernauld, or Grahamston at a push.

 

[Carntyne]

if the diesels have to go and the 385s still haven't arrived then something else will have to do the route until they do.

Where are we pulling the additional sets from? Thin air? They will not operate on the route.

 

[59CosG95]

Are the wires north of Cumbernauld live and available for use or just live and under testing?

Switch-on is tomorrow, apparently.

 

[hexagon789]

No. It's the existing service from Dumbarton to Springburn extended.

I see, so just a reversal as currently happens at Springburn; makes far more sense.

 

[Domh245]

Confirmation from Richard Clinnick that the lease has now been signed. Details are short but things are officially happening now.

 

[Stopper]

Where are we pulling the additional sets from? Thin air? They will not operate on the route.

The 334s on the Bathgate route are doubled up all day and cart around fresh air, so maybe them. It’s wishful thinking from some posters on here though, they’ll probably take a couple of 156s or 158s from another route and short form it. As for running them right through to Edinburgh, that’s a no no until the 385s come in, would be surprised if it even lasts long as well.

 

[alangla]

The Bathgate to Waverley bit is very, very busy in the peaks, probably more so now with the £13 return ticket from Glasgow. Also, the return journey is so long and space short at Milngavie & Waverley, so it's difficult to see how attaching/detaching could work. They could, however, drop units at Bathgate or split at Helensburgh/Edinburgh in the evening though(think this does or did happen)

 

[td97]

Confirmation from Richard Clinnick that the lease has now been signed. Details are short but things are officially happening now.

Further details https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/scotrail-hires-in-class-365s-for-glasgow-edinburgh-route

Three Class 365s have been leased by ScotRail, with more to follow. They will be used on an interim basis on the Edinburgh-Glasgow Queen Street via Falkirk High route while windscreen modifications are made to Class 385s.

The four-car ‘365s’ have been replaced at Govia Thameslink Railway by Class 700s. First to move to Knorr-Bremse Rail Services Springburn for modifications and re-livery into Scotland’s Railways colours was 365523, which arrived by road from Ilford on April 22, followed by 365517 on April 29. 365513 is due to arrived by road this weekend.

There is no official date for the trains entering traffic (July has been mentioned by sources), nor the exact number to be leased, although ten has been suggested. They will enter traffic once an agreement with unions has been made and once are sufficient crews are trained on the electric multiple units.

 

[Sebastian O]

I did enjoy reading the rail editors tweets when he kicked off about them being transported by road. Whilst he may has a point he does seem to take himself quite seriously.

 

[Domh245]

I did enjoy reading the rail editors tweets when he kicked off about them being transported by road. Whilst he may has a point he does seem to take himself quite seriously.

He's an interesting character, that's for sure.

 

[InOban]

Did I miss something, but where are they to be maintained? This is an entirely new class for Scotland.

 

[hexagon789]

Did I miss something, but where are they to be maintained? This is an entirely new class for Scotland.

Presumably wherever the 380s are currently maintained.

 

[scotraildriver]

Shields depot

 

[hexagon789]

Shields depot

Is that likely to change or will no other depots maintain electrics until the 385s come into service?

 

[Highlandspring]

Corker also maintain leccys but as per the above post the 365s will be maintained at Shields.

 

[scotraildriver]

Corker also maintain leccys but as per the above post the 365s will be maintained at Shields.

They will be based at Eastfield though only going to Shields for work.

 

[hexagon789]

They will be based at Eastfield though only going to Shields for work.

Is that the plan for the 385s as well?

 

[Domh245]

AIUI the main depot for the 385s will be Craigentinny, which will become a Hitachi base (also working on the East Coast 80x), but will stable and be serviced at many other depots, including Millerhill and Shields.

 

[hexagon789]

AIUI the main depot for the 385s will be Craigentinny, which will become a Hitachi base (also working on the East Coast 80x), but will stable and be serviced at many other depots, including Millerhill and Shields.

So it will be possible to see 385s at Shields Road then?

 

[energol]

8 car 365 due Into Eastfield depot on Thursday.

 

[PYROOGOBBO]

i was talking to a guy on the train and he said to me that the 365's were not in good conditon

likely they will be needing a servicing then?