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yoyothehobo

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I know that part of what was the Metro Test Track is now the railway line that the Stephenson Museum is on and ran to Percy Main, as the Stephenson railway still does.

My question is how far down did it run? On google earth you can the old railway runs through to north of the waste water works and used to go the (now demolished) petrochemical works. If you look closely on the maps you can see what looks like a relatively new platform (post 60s) orientated west east and on old google earth imagery there is still a set of points at the eastern end of the station platform.

I was just curious if anyone had any information on this/pictures of just how far the test track went and whether this is part of that or just a relict from the days of the old industry?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.9947311,-1.4756317,557m/data=!3m1!1e3

Hopefully that link should take you to the place I am looking.
 
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Found a diagram on Flickr:

https://flic.kr/p/eNS6Ek

Much of it was to the north of the present museum location. The diagram text also has the south limit as the coast road, A1058, so looks as if the museum must use significantly further to the south than the Metro testing ever did.

Found a detailed post on skyscraper city that includes, inter alia, the 1971 pamphlet which is the source of the above diagram:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=85924914&postcount=1981
 
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If you walk on the old track bed south of Percy Main station there is ballast all the way to a concrete platform (sorry I do not know how to link to a specific place on Google Maps). Does anyone know the origin of this platform?
 

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Do you mean the platform alongside Brunton St, alongside the southern loop of the steam railway?
It was possibly put in by the heritage operators. The wiki article seems to describe it so.
The running line of the railway consists of a single track line, with two open-air platforms at either end, both with a passing loop. The northern platform, "Middle Engine Lane", is just south of the museum building. The southern platform, "Percy Main", is immediately south of the point where the Metro crosses the railway, paralleling the length of Brunton Street, to which there is a pedestrian access for passengers wishing to leave the train there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Tyneside_Steam_Railway
 

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Do you mean the platform alongside Brunton St, alongside the southern loop of the steam railway?
It was possibly put in by the heritage operators. The wiki article seems to describe it so.

No, I am aware that the heritage railway runs to that station there. If you follow the ballast past the current buffer stops there the ballast heads eastwards and there is a concrete platform next to the tracks, i have had a look on old maps and it doesnt appear to have been at the site when it was part of the Esso Terminal (though it may just not show it on maps).

I was wondering whether it was
a) The heritage railway did want to go that far but never did, but built a station there
b) The Metro Test Track went there and had a platform that isnt shown on the map
c) Something to do with the previous site.

If you go on google earth and look at imagery from 2001 there is still a set of points and the remains of some track by the station, which suggests it was lifted a lot later than all the other rails in the area.
 

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No, I am aware that the heritage railway runs to that station there. If you follow the ballast past the current buffer stops there the ballast heads eastwards and there is a concrete platform next to the tracks, i have had a look on old maps and it doesnt appear to have been at the site when it was part of the Esso Terminal (though it may just not show it on maps).
My reply was only referring to the later question from SeanG. Although I guess he may have been talking about south of the steam railway's Percy Main station as well, in which case my reply to him can probably be disregarded.

I haven't a clue what your east west platform was, which is why I didn't mention it... :)

There's no evidence that the Metro ever went that far south, the test track is described everywhere I've found as being 2.4km only.
 

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My reply was only referring to the later question from SeanG. Although I guess he may have been talking about south of the steam railway's Percy Main station as well, in which case my reply to him can probably be disregarded.

I haven't a clue what your east west platform was, which is why I didn't mention it... :)

There's no evidence that the Metro ever went that far south, the test track is described everywhere I've found as being 2.4km only.

Sorry, I was a bit abrupt with my reply. I meant to add that I believe SeanG was referring to the bit south of Percy Main station.

However I was also under the impression that you knew everything :D
 

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Found the 1997 TWA Order allowing the steam railway to extend round to the east to terminate just past the aforementioned platform:
Power to construct and maintain railway
4.—(1) The Council may construct and maintain a railway (1015 metres in length) being an extension of the North Tyneside Steam Railway in the Metropolitan Borough of North Tyneside, commencing 149 metres north of the bridge carrying the Tyne and Wear PTE Metro Railway at Ordnance Survey National Grid reference point NZ 433537 567429 and extending in a southerly direction under that bridge and the bridge carrying Howdon Road (A187) then extending in an easterly direction and terminating 12 metres west of the footpath known as Chemsons Cutting at Ordnance Survey National Grid reference point NZ 433794 566665.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/2465/part/II/made/data.pdf
Perhaps they did build the platform and then decide to limit the extension to the current position. It may have been considered easier for people walking from the Metro.
 

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I know that part of what was the Metro Test Track is now the railway line that the Stephenson Museum is on and ran to Percy Main, as the Stephenson railway still does.

My question is how far down did it run? On google earth you can the old railway runs through to north of the waste water works and used to go the (now demolished) petrochemical works. If you look closely on the maps you can see what looks like a relatively new platform (post 60s) orientated west east and on old google earth imagery there is still a set of points at the eastern end of the station platform.

I was just curious if anyone had any information on this/pictures of just how far the test track went and whether this is part of that or just a relict from the days of the old industry?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.9947311,-1.4756317,557m/data=!3m1!1e3

Hopefully that link should take you to the place I am looking.

I can say for certain that it didn't reach as far south as Percy Main station. I rode on the test track - probably in the late 70s. ISTR that I had to get a bus or special minibus to reach Middle Engine Lane. The area has changed beyond all recognition just looking at the Google satellite view. It was like the middle of nowhere back then and not easy to reach.

I am sure there is a video somewhere of the prototype Metrocar running on the test track. I fell across it recently - possibly on Youtube. Searches -
 

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Interesting to note that the Test Track was also used to test the prototype train for the Hong Kong Mass Transit Railway. They were built by Metro Cammell in Birmingham and also use 1500V d.c.. I think that this included fitting the Test Track with the Westinghouse train control systems (ATP & ATO) as used in Hong Kong. Westinghouse also installed the complete signalling system used on the T&W Metro.
 

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That east West platform was built for an extension of the heritage line.
In the event, lots of money was squandered on things like a derelict Swedish B class and a tank engine from the ELR that ran for a couple of years before serious firebox problems put it out of use.
The B class we started stripping the remaining boiler cladding from, only to discover it was still lagged with asbestos, which cost more money to sort out.

Any two new platforms were built, the one in use today at Percy Main and the marooned one referred to above. The old Percy Main platform north of the Metro bridge was abandoned.
Most of the new route was ballasted before it all came to a halt. For a period it looked as if the while thing would close for good, I recall one weekend it was just me and another volunteer checking axleboxes on the Mk 1 coaches.

The extension was originally meant to run to the Outlet Village but there was some issue with land ownership preventing that so it ended up with the platform in the middle of nowhere.
A northward extension was also mooted at some point but I don't think any serious work was ever done on it.

Had some fun times there. I still wonder every now and then if the asbestos incident might end up being the death of me (we had just normal crappy dust masks, and thay only after we'd stripped a lot of cladding) and it ended up all over the workshops after someone thought pressure washing would be a good way to remove it. The 16 year old me was sent underneath the thing to vacuum up all the asbestos that had fallen onto the floor, I guess that helped someone's story to the HSE that work stopped as soon as we found it...

We had a Deltic on static display (55002 I think). One of the council employees took it for a trip to Percy Main one day. Allegedly.
 

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Thanks for your info! Very insightful, its not often you see a new looking marooned platform!
 

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Throwing a question in here - Why was the Metro wired for 1500v DC, instead of the more usual Tram 750v DC or train 25Kv AC?
 

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Throwing a question in here - Why was the Metro wired for 1500v DC, instead of the more usual Tram 750v DC or train 25Kv AC?
The original plan was to refurbish Class 76s and Mark 1 commuter stock to operate the service, hence the 1500v DC.

(The above is fake news, btw!)
 

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Throwing a question in here - Why was the Metro wired for 1500v DC, instead of the more usual Tram 750v DC or train 25Kv AC?
Less current, therefore lower transmission losses, allowing wider spaced traction supply substations and lighter contact wire. Internally the trains have two 750 volt traction motors connected in series. I suspect they might have copied the idea from another system somewhere abroad. As an almost completely isolated system from BR they were not causing a problem fitting a non-standard supply.
 

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Hmm, i though the plan was to split 442 rakes into individual coaches, add a pantograph and run off 1500 DC... and have some class 76s as thunderbirds in case they ever failed.

In all honestly, it probably did stem from abroad as the track was subsequently used for trains for the Hong Kong metro. The whole thing is quite a fascinating engineering project.
 

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I remember reading somewhere that the Metro was delivered at a total project cost of around £1m per mile, including rolling stock and the tunnelling etc.
Even allowing for inflation and that a lot of the infrastructure was extant, that's remarkably cheap!

I always thought the Metro was a good system and it's a shame bus deregulation in the mid 80s sort of spoiled some of the concept with his stations integrated into some of the stations and 'through ticketing'.
 

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That east West platform was built for an extension of the heritage line.
In the event, lots of money was squandered on things like a derelict Swedish B class and a tank engine from the ELR that ran for a couple of years before serious firebox problems put it out of use.
The B class we started stripping the remaining boiler cladding from, only to discover it was still lagged with asbestos, which cost more money to sort out.

Any two new platforms were built, the one in use today at Percy Main and the marooned one referred to above. The old Percy Main platform north of the Metro bridge was abandoned.
Most of the new route was ballasted before it all came to a halt. For a period it looked as if the while thing would close for good, I recall one weekend it was just me and another volunteer checking axleboxes on the Mk 1 coaches.

The extension was originally meant to run to the Outlet Village but there was some issue with land ownership preventing that so it ended up with the platform in the middle of nowhere.
A northward extension was also mooted at some point but I don't think any serious work was ever done on it.

Had some fun times there. I still wonder every now and then if the asbestos incident might end up being the death of me (we had just normal crappy dust masks, and thay only after we'd stripped a lot of cladding) and it ended up all over the workshops after someone thought pressure washing would be a good way to remove it. The 16 year old me was sent underneath the thing to vacuum up all the asbestos that had fallen onto the floor, I guess that helped someone's story to the HSE that work stopped as soon as we found it...

We had a Deltic on static display (55002 I think). One of the council employees took it for a trip to Percy Main one day. Allegedly.

Excellent info there thanks - I've been wondering what the platform was about for a few years.
Shame that they couldn't extend to Royal Quays Outlet Village, I imagine that it would attract more visitors. It always strikes me that not many people in the area know about the railway
 

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Yes there were nascent reasonably grand plans at one stage. Extension Royal Quays, new museum platform at the east of the site and extension over Middle Engine Lane up to Shiremoor and potentially beyond was being considered at one stage.
I think construction subsequent means this could never happen now. If money hadn't been wasted on various things the council and Museum Service might not have got cold feet.
It's a shame really as it could have turned into a proper industrial railway scene, couple of rakes of coal wagons on demonstration alongside the passenger service, the Harton electric loco in working order.
Looking at Google earth the platform thay was built is too short for a 3 coach train and there doesn't look to be sufficient room for a run round loop either. It really did end up as a right old mess and I've always suspected there was more than poor decision making or incompetence at play. In the circumstances it was remarkable the Council and Museum Service agreed to carry on at all (although it was a very close run thing).
The new Percy Main platform didn't have a run round loop for a lot of years. Trains were run down the bank with the 03 and hauled back up by the steam engine. It was great fun driving and firing them up the 1 in 40 gradient with 3 coaches and the 03 hanging off the back!
Eventually that knackered the 03 gearbox (even though we used to drop the pin to lick the final drive in a neutral position) so after that was repaired we used to detach the 03 at Percy Main to run back to Museum light engine. Always a bit nervous being alone at Percy Main, particularly when there were kids running all over the track.
I remember shunting the crane & runner, brake van, take of mk1 coaches, dogfish wagon, flat waggon and I think the B class through the loop at Museum and out onto the 'main line'. Only the Mk 1s had vacuum brakes and they were in the middle of the consist with incomplete through piping, so I had just the 03 air brake... Seriously thought it was going to run away at one point, took a VERY long time to stop! Pushing it all back up the slope was interesting too.

There was also a Gresley teak coach slowly rotting away under partial tarpaulins in the headshunt along with another wooden bodied vehicle which I can't remember.

There was a kink in the track at the reverse curves just south of the Museum complex. Before my time, Harry Friend had been driving an 060 tender loco that was on loan rather 'enthusiastically' and hit the curves too fast. It stayed kinked until the late 90s when the whole line was treated to an automatic ballast tamper as part of a Railtrack training programme which mostly removed it.

Disposing of the steam loco, the tap for the hose pipe was the other side of the siding that one of the rakes of coaches was usually stored in. Habit was to nip underneath them. I'd just emerged from underneath having turn the tap on and was leaning against them when there was an almighty bang and the 3 coaches shot forwards, crashed through the Museum roller shutter door and pushed the NER parcel van about 20 feet further into the museum. Somebody had 'helpfully' thrown the points for the shunter who was about to stable the other coaching set on an adjacent road, but didn't tell him. Shunted remembered he'd moved the parked rake earlier in the day and left the points set for that road, so there them to the empty road (or so he thought) without checking. 03 driver couldn't see what road was set due o the yard layout and obeyed the shunters hand signals.
We all learned something that day and I never went underneath or across the blind end of a vehicle with movements happening nearby ever again. I still break out on a cold sweat sometimes thinking about what would have happened of I'd been a bit slower turning the hose pipe on.

I'm rambling way off topic so shall leave it there!
 
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If you walk on the old track bed south of Percy Main station there is ballast all the way to a concrete platform (sorry I do not know how to link to a specific place on Google Maps). Does anyone know the origin of this platform?

I think this was built by the heritage railway themselves. They run ‘Santa Specials’ and various other trips during the year. Their train runs from the main Stephenson Railway site and stops at that concrete platform and then returns.
 

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Correct. As above it was part of a never completed extension to Royal Quays. Money wasted on an asbestos riddled wreck of a Swedish B Class, an ex-ELR industrial tank that had been "professionally" overhauled (ie nothing mechanical done and the massive leaking patch on the firebox tickled to get it through a boiler inspection) - after half a dozen caulking attempts it was withdrawn after a few years.
 
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