Effect of NRCoT Section 5.2

[Bletchleyite]

The only good reason is that the ticket may only be used by the (named) individual, and so to match it to them.

Indeed, but that's not how it works, it's the purchaser's name that appears and there is no scope for it to be anyone else's name.

 

[etr221]

The other thing is, why does it matter if a return ticket is used by two different people. Both journeys have been paid for, and as long as there's no railcard discrepancy or an adult travelling on a child ticket then what's the harm in it?

I think the issue is that a ticket is evidence of a contract, between an individual passenger and train operator, and in strict legal terms it is that contract (and not the ticket itself) that gives the right to travel (and everything related to it - particularly relevant when things go wrong). If a different person (from that for whom the ticket was purchased ) travels with the other return half, then they have no contract to do so.

 

[CyrusWuff]

The other thing is, why does it matter if a return ticket is used by two different people. Both journeys have been paid for, and as long as there's no railcard discrepancy or an adult travelling on a child ticket then what's the harm in it?

From the TOC's point of view, both journeys haven't been paid for though, as they'd argue that each passenger should have bought a Single for their journey, which means they've underpaid by the difference in price between two Singles and the Return that was actually bought.

 

[Dai Corner]

From the TOC's point of view, both journeys haven't been paid for though, as they'd argue that each passenger should have bought a Single for their journey, which means they've underpaid by the difference in price between two Singles and the Return that was actually bought.

The fact that no effort has been made to enforce this since the first return ticket was sold over 200 years ago suggests the railways don't really mind though?

 

[MichaelAMW]

Which are hardly the majority of tickets purchased.

But their facility for unlimited journeys does mean that an awful lot of fares could be evaded.

 

[MichaelAMW]

The other thing is, why does it matter if a return ticket is used by two different people. Both journeys have been paid for, and as long as there's no railcard discrepancy or an adult travelling on a child ticket then what's the harm in it?

See my earlier post: you get a "deal" if you and you alone make a journey both ways.

 

[AlterEgo]

It's Section 69(1).

How does this civil law apply when faced with a criminal prosecution?

 

[ForTheLoveOf]

How does this civil law apply when faced with a criminal prosecution?

In the realm of railway ticketing, which bridges the gap between civil and criminal law, civil law can impact the meaning of the terms of a contract for travel. This, in turn, can affect its validity - and hence mean the difference between travelling with an invalid ticket, which is an offence, and travelling with a perhaps unlikely but valid ticket, which is perfectly legal.

 

[AlterEgo]

In the realm of railway ticketing, which bridges the gap between civil and criminal law, civil law can impact the meaning of the terms of a contract for travel. This, in turn, can affect its validity - and hence mean the difference between travelling with an invalid ticket, which is an offence, and travelling with a perhaps unlikely but valid ticket, which is perfectly legal.

Is this a legal opinion or a personal one based on layman’s knowledge? Not being a snark here, just curious. I’m not legally qualified.

 

[maniacmartin]

For those that mentioned the Consumer Rights Act in both threads, I would guess (not checked) that this act does not apply to transactions where the customer is a business

 

[DaveNewcastle]

Is this a legal opinion or a personal one based on layman’s knowledge?

Clearly the latter.
PLUS a large dose of wishful thinking. Which makes it all very unreliable opinion.

 

[trainophile]

If you buy a return at a ticket office it won’t have your name on it and they couldn’t possibly know if someone else uses the return part.