Snow Service Changes 25/02/18 onwards.

[ComUtoR]

it comes from Meteogroup. They do have and provide their own data.

Weather stations

In conjunction with a number of partners, we operate our own private weather measurement network with approximately 1600 stations around the world. Our network of weather stations across Germany and Switzerland is the highest density of private weather stations in Europe. These stations provide the essential basis for our reliable and high-precision forecasts.

https://www.meteogroup.com/about-meteogroup

 

[Darandio]

So is it still met office predictions then?

No, as stated already Meteogroup took over on 6th February.

 

[Wivenswold]

No. It's their prediction based on their assessment of global weather model outputs.

The Met Office do provide percentages/measurements for extreme weather events.

Most decent weather websites and apps will actually have an explanation of how to read their site. Unfortunately we live in an age where we read the headlines and move off to the next thing.

 

[wls1]

c2c are expecting a severely reduced service all of tuesday. My station Grays in peak goes from 8tph to london down to 2tph, similar with other stations along the line.

https://www.c2c-online.co.uk/media/17519025/wk48topublic.pdf

 

[dangie]

Don't bother with the Met Office etc, just buy the Daily Express.

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[Bletchleyite]

Cable ties at intervals around your tyres (clip side outward and alternating left- and right-facing) make icy cycling easy!

Interesting - not heard of that before!

 

[LAX54]

Looking at TRUST for Tues.... says hourly Inter City, hourly Liverpool and hourly Cambridge, and no Wherry / Cromers

 

[TUC]

Meanwhile the north of England has had snow sevaral times this year and TOCs ran a largely normal service.

 

[LAX54]

AGA must have a sound reason for doing it, a reduced service is understandable, I dont follow the outright cancellations, unless their forecast is better than we can get

 

[LAX54]

Seems, London to Norwich, Hourly.
Nor - Lime Street, Hourly.
Nor - Cambridge Hourly.
Ips to Peter: Hourly
Ips to Cambs Hourly
Norwich to Lowestoft Hourly
London to Colch / Ips 2PH 1 x All Stns I x Fast ( I think) all 12 cars
1TPH London to Ips
Clacton to Colchester shuttle 1TPH all stns NOT the Town
Thorpe - Walton: 1TPH
Mantree - Harwich 1TPH
Additional Peak hour services London - Norwich and London - Colchester and VV

 

[Macwomble]

Meanwhile the north of England & Scotland has had snow sevaral times this year and TOCs ran a largely normal service.

Corrected that for you

 

[eastdyke]

Seems, London to Norwich, Hourly.
Nor - Lime Street, Hourly.
Nor - Cambridge Hourly.
Ips to Peter: Hourly
Ips to Cambs Hourly
Norwich to Lowestoft Hourly
London to Colch / Ips 2PH 1 x All Stns I x Fast ( I think) all 12 cars
1TPH London to Ips
Clacton to Colchester shuttle 1TPH all stns NOT the Town
Thorpe - Walton: 1TPH
Mantree - Harwich 1TPH
Additional Peak hour services London - Norwich and London - Colchester and VV

That sounds good

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

Don't bother with the Met Office etc, just buy the Daily Express.

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In a post-truth world science is seen as being part of an agenda rather than intelligent analysis of factual data. Climate change denial is an obvious form of this reaction. And how many people have ever been actively taught how to think in an intelligently critical manner before reaching a conclusion in their opinions? It's no wonder I gave up buying newspapers a long time ago: so much dross, even in the broadsheets.

 

[6Gman]

Don't bother with the Met Office etc, just buy the Daily Express.

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Or to summarise ...

We're all going to die!!!!!!!

 

[TUC]

Meanwhile the discussion by passengers on my Grand Central train tonight is 'No snow yet. I hope it's knee deep by tomorrow. I'll be disappointed if not.'

I do get the feeling there's a different attitude in different parts of the country

 

[maire23]

Or to summarise ...

We're all going to die!!!!!!!

Doomed! We’re all doomed!

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Good to see the old "snow timetables" coming into action - it allows people to plan accordingly. BR used to do it.

Good isn't what I would say - I would concur with most of the travelling public and say PATHETIC.

 

[matthewmacleod]

Good isn't what I would say - I would concur with most of the travelling public and say PATHETIC.

Thankfully I like to think that the travelling public are generally more pleasant and understanding than yourself.

 

[bramling]

Good isn't what I would say - I would concur with most of the travelling public and say PATHETIC.

Damned if do and damned if don't may well be nearer to reality.

If you try and run a full service, you're okay until something goes wrong, however when it does things will fall over very badly very quickly - to the point where things are likely to degenerate into complete chaos. Then there are factors which the railway simply cannot control, for example if a road accident happens near a major train crew depot and the streets surrounding the depot become gridlocked, all of a sudden you've got a string of book-ons stuck running late with no idea when they will be in. Today's railway runs on the limit most of the time, so add in the effects of snow and you're now trying to run something which is probably unworkable.

Yes there are measures which the industry could take to improve resilience, however do we really want to pay for this simply for a couple of days per year which might not even happen? In the London area I don't remember much if any disruptive snowfall for the last two or three years.

 

[bramling]

Thankfully I like to think that the travelling public are generally more pleasant and understanding than yourself.

Many are, however some certainly aren't. When it snowed on the Sunday before Christmas (I forget the exact date), there were some really self-important types to be found in London, getting the right arse because their Christmas shopping was affected.

 

[6Gman]

Good isn't what I would say - I would concur with most of the travelling public and say PATHETIC.

Would you care to elaborate on that point? "Pathetic", sorry "PATHETIC" isn't entirely clear. How would you change the railway companies' response?

 

[87015]

Would you care to elaborate on that point? "Pathetic", sorry "PATHETIC" isn't entirely clear. How would you change the railway companies' response?

Well plemty of TOCs have spent all day fighting it having been told to fall in line behnd the bigboys that don't want to run trains. You should see tomorrow its not a full KRS (pre-agreed emergency plans) that has been invoked and some people want to run more trains than others

Personally i think taking the last trains out and binning entire routes in advance is pretty low. Snowplans started as a thinned, slower service not the complete cut and run it is rapidly becoming.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Typical and as I'd expect from the apologists - . I am usually very supportive of our railways when compared to our European counterparts but the failure to deal with expected weather conditions is extremely annoying - you know what is coming so do what is necessary to keep the trains running - it is what other countries do. I put PATHETIC in capitals because that is exactly how it appears to any sane person who is not blinkered by a pro-rail prejudice.

 

[bramling]

you know what is coming so do what is necessary to keep the trains running

Please could you give some examples of what you feel would be necessary actions to take?

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Would you care to elaborate on that point? "Pathetic", sorry "PATHETIC" isn't entirely clear. How would you change the railway companies' response?

.... by preparing and running a train service in what are basically normal Winter conditions - this is a standard European Winter NOT 1963 - if you cannot prepare for normal Winter then you aren't fit for the role quite simply.

 

[Antman]

Typical and as I'd expect from the apologists - . I am usually very supportive of our railways when compared to our European counterparts but the failure to deal with expected weather conditions is extremely annoying - you know what is coming so do what is necessary to keep the trains running - it is what other countries do. I put PATHETIC in capitals because that is exactly how it appears to any sane person who is not blinkered by a pro-rail prejudice.

Are you talking about other countries that regularly have heavy snowfall and therefore have the equipment to deal with it?

 

[Carntyne]

you know what is coming so do what is necessary to keep the trains running.

Like the UK railway is preparing to do?

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Please could you give some examples of what you feel would be necessary actions to take?

What any sensible rail operator would take knowing the potential prevailing conditions - if you aren't capable of providing a 364 day a year train service based on the conditions of 364 days a year then you shouldn't really be doing that job. The upcoming weather conditions aren't exceptionally bad - they are pretty normal for this time of year it is only the' fake news' angle of the TOCs that are making a case to oppose the reality of their inadequacies to provide a public service year round. It's Winter for FFS if you can't deal with it then go find another job.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Like the UK railway is preparing to do?

... preparing to do by saying - DON'T PANIC... DON'T TRAVEL .... preparing properly means no one even notices and it's business as normal. Even before any snow fell we had threats of cancellations.. hence my lableiing it PATHETIC

 

[TheSel]

As seen on the BBC's 'Red Button' Travel section this evening.



Thank heavens for the adverse weather conditions, then. Can anyone advise what timetables would be operating were it not for the weather?