Question regarding panel on Mk3 IC carriages

[Gricer Britannia]

Does anyone know what the lower panel was intended for on the toilet windows?

 

[scotraildriver]

Scotrail used to have their Scotrail Express branding here.

 

[driver9000]

Destination label/blind holder as seen on East Coast HSTs.

 

[lyndhurst25]

On the prototype HST the carriage running numbers were originally behind that toilet window!

http://www.traintesting.com/images/E12000 coach.jpg

 

[Mag_seven]

Enthusiasts (in days gone by) used to turn those destination labels around and write their favourite loco number on it.

 

[Gricer Britannia]

On the prototype HST the carriage running numbers were originally behind that toilet window!

http://www.traintesting.com/images/E12000 coach.jpg

Thank you for your replies

 

[61653 HTAFC]

On the prototype HST the carriage running numbers were originally behind that toilet window!

http://www.traintesting.com/images/E12000 coach.jpg

Note the "C1" markings on the vehicle end...
Shurely shome mishtake?!

 

[Royston Vasey]

On the prototype HST the carriage running numbers were originally behind that toilet window!

http://www.traintesting.com/images/E12000 coach.jpg

Nothing to do with the windows, but interesting that the Mk 3 is labelled with a C1 loading gauge rather than C3. Prototype body shells were little different to production so this is a puzzle...?

 

[Royston Vasey]

Note the "C1" markings on the vehicle end...
Shurely shome mishtake?!

Ha, didn't see your post in time. Wondered if one clouted a platform at some point

 

[edwin_m]

Ha, didn't see your post in time. Wondered if one clouted a platform at some point

Either that or someone realised that the clearances on the Mk3 would be significantly worse than C1 and invented C3 to define the routes it could run over - but not until sometime after the prototype started running.

Or perhaps Derby works was just used to painting C1 on everything and nobody told them not to.

 

[alexl92]

Either that or someone realised that the clearances on the Mk3 would be significantly worse than C1 and invented C3 to define the routes it could run over - but not until sometime after the prototype started running.

Or perhaps Derby works was just used to painting C1 on everything and nobody told them not to.

Incidentally, is there such thing as C2? I’ve only ever seen C1 and C3.

 

[GusB]

Incidentally, is there such thing as C2? I’ve only ever seen C1 and C3.

I've always wondered why there was no C2. I'm sure someone will be able to enlighten us.

 

[jopsuk]

at a guess, C1 was based on the (majority, longer version) the Mark 1, and the Mark 2 fitted that clearance. "C3" then for "clearance, mark 3"?

 

[ag51ruk]

Destination label/blind holder as seen on East Coast HSTs.

The original ones had roller blinds fitted with the destination labels printed on, although I'm not sure if they were ever used - on some of the sets that operated the Midland Main Line originally (mid 80s) if you opened the panel from the inside with a carriage key, the handle and roller mechanism were still there even though there was no blind

 

[ChilternTurbo]

The original ones had roller blinds fitted with the destination labels printed on, although I'm not sure if they were ever used - on some of the sets that operated the Midland Main Line originally (mid 80s) if you opened the panel from the inside with a carriage key, the handle and roller mechanism were still there even though there was no blind

I remember seeing one of these blinds for sale on eBay a few years ago. It was an ECML one and was incredibly long, given all the different stopping patterns and destinations. Imagine having to wind through a multitude of destinations on an 8 coach train with four blinds fitted per carriage!? Paper labels were a much easier solution and one that Virgin East Coast still use...

 

[AMD]

Also for other information, in this one it's the Yorkshire Pullman, while sitting in Glasgow Queen Street.