Jeremy Corbyn seen standing on a public train!

[Howardh]

Bet the young lady's happy about her face being twitted around the world....

 

[D365]

I'm sorry but this is incorrect if his journey was London Euston to Milton Keynes Central:

Virgin Trains CDR is £15.80
West Midlands Trains CDR is £16.40

(fares above assume off peak travel; West Midlands Trains is the train company who have taken over from London Midland )

Yes as yorkie has correctly pointed out, Virgin are actually a little bit cheaper for this journey on a walk up fare. I stand corrected.

It is a surprising coincidence to me actually but there we are.

And slightly faster. That’s the ticket I use for getting myself to these forum meals

 

[northwichcat]

NOTE: Virgin offer a cheaper fare to Milton Keynes from Euston. This means Jeremy in fact paid more than he could have, unless he had an advance ticket.

Maybe he did have one or maybe he was changing to another service at Milton Keynes and the WMR service offered a better connection to it than the faster Virgin one?

 

[lyndhurst25]

Not sure how much positive spin this Corbyn-on-a-train picture is causing, but the Sunday Express seems to have felt the need to respond with a typical Corbyn-bashing article today.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...-air-pollution-islington-council-diesel-toxin

JEREMY CORBYN is being chauffeur-driven to work in a gas-guzzling seven-seater diesel people carrier – despite his Labour local council last week calling for diesel cars to be banned.

The Ford Galaxy waited on a double yellow line outside his north London home for 40 minutes on Tuesday before making the six-mile journey to Westminster.

Mr Corbyn lives in Islington and is also the Labour MP for Islington North.

Last week Islington Borough Council, along with neighbouring Hackney, proposed a ban on diesel cars with drivers flouting the air pollution crackdown facing £130 fines.

Despite styling himself as an eco warrior, complaining that air pollution is “killing children”, the DVLA database reveals Mr Corbyn’s mode of transport emits a hefty 189g of carbon dioxide, putting it in the fourth highest vehicle tax band.

The 2.2 litre engine can only manage 36mpg on average, the same as a 17-seat Ford Transit minibus.

The shiny five-door silver car arrived at the Left-wing Labour leader’s three-bedroom terrace home just before 9am on January 30 but the populist politician left the driver waiting for 40 minutes on double yellow lines.

A traffic warden in a high-visibility vest approached but immediately appeared to recognise the car and did not issue a ticket...

 

[northwichcat]

Bet the young lady's happy about her face being twitted around the world....

Not sure she's actually that young. I know ladies who are 40+ who look younger than she appears in that photo.

 

[EM2]

Yes, she does it all by herself, bless her, and definitely doesn’t have expensive and necessary armed close protection.

Last time I checked, 365s were not armour-plated.

 

[Merseysider]

This is certainly one of the odder threads I’ve encountered lately. It’s literally the very essence of a non-story, with certain people trying very hard to make it into a story. I’ll leave it at that.

 

[route:oxford]

Funny you should mention the Pope, with all this talk of how a Prime Minister would need lots of security regardless of who they were...

http://www.trbimg.com/img-52a8b694/turbine/la-sh-pope-francis-20131108

(For those unable to view the link, it's an image of the Pontiff getting into his car: a common-or-garden Ford Focus!)

Here's one of a previous Pontiff in his car, just after he had been shot...

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Here's one of a previous Pontiff in his car, just after he had been shot...

Fair point, but that goes to show that in fact an everyday family hatchback offers more protection than a Popemobile.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Not sure she's actually that young. I know ladies who are 40+ who look younger than she appears in that photo.

#EverydaySexism

 

[Howardh]

Not sure she's actually that young. I know ladies who are 40+ who look younger than she appears in that photo.

I'm on the verge of sixtcoughcoughsplutter. Believe me, anyone around 40 is positively youthful...

 

[AlterEgo]

There are other European countries where the PM, even members of their royal family, if they have one, feel, and are, perfectly safe in public without bodyguards. We are just such a hatefilled nation.

There are other European countries which have a much lower international profile than the UK which makes their heads of state or government much less likely targets. Nothing to do with how much hate there is in the country.

 

[AlterEgo]

Last time I checked, 365s were not armour-plated.

What relevance does that have?

A poster said that “going around without security isn’t really an option”. You said the Queen can manage it. I pointed out that’s not the case. The Queen most certainly does have security, everywhere she goes. Even on a train.

It’s simply plain wrong for people to suggest Corbyn wouldn’t have security arrangements if he ever became prime minister. It’s worrying how people on this thread have such a lack of objectivity.

 

[northwichcat]

Fair point, but that goes to show that in fact an everyday family hatchback offers more protection than a Popemobile.

The current Pope doesn't believe he should be spending lots of money on himself when there's poor people who need the money more, hence why he has a car a lot of people can afford and hasn't ordered a new Popemobile - the one acquired by the previous Pope still works. It's also worth noting anyone who goes in St Peters Square for a Papal Audience (where the Pope would go around on the Popemobile) would have to go through metal detectors and airport style bag scans before getting admittance these days.

There's two interesting stories I've heard about the current Pope. One is when he was a bishop in Argentina and was planning to visit a different church he asked which bus routes go there and insisted on travelling by bus even though he was advised buses aren't safe places for bishops in Argentina. (But if you're Jeremy Clarkson it would have been a safer way to travel around Argentina!) Another is he has said as Pope he misses the fact he can't just walk to the local pizzeria by himself without any fuss anymore.

 

[northwichcat]

It’s simply plain wrong for people to suggest Corbyn wouldn’t have security arrangements if he ever became prime minister.

Indeed, especially considering even low profile MPs can be murdered by extremists. However, it doesn't mean it has to be a strong visible security presence, he could travel with a security person who is dressed more like an aide than a police officer or G4S security guard.

 

[EM2]

What relevance does that have?

A poster said that “going around without security isn’t really an option”.

That poster used the phrase 'all-around security in armoured limousines is not a thing of privilege, it is a thing of necessity.'.

 

[lyndhurst25]

Corbyn is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Today we've got the Sunday Express slagging him off and calling him a hypocrite for using a Government (diesel) car, which he was advised to do for security reasons. When he does travel by public transport he gets accused of not trying hard enough to find a seat so the he can stand and make a political point. Anyway, if the right-wing press are to believed then Corbyn is probably the safest man in the UK from being attacked as they still claim that he is a "friend of the IRA / Hezbollah / Hamas / insert just about any terrorist group here...".

 

[EM2]

It’s worrying how people on this thread have such a lack of objectivity.

If that is meant to suggest that I am some kind of blinkered Corbynite, it couldn't be more wrong.

 

[AlterEgo]

That poster used the phrase 'all-around security in armoured limousines is not a thing of privilege, it is a thing of necessity.'.

I think you’re being rather arbitrary, as I don’t think his assertion was that the PM spends all their time in a bomb proof car.

They don’t. The PM has also used public trains.

 

[Marton]

In other news, Pope revealed to be a Roman Catholic.

Not all popes are Roman Catholics when elected. They will invariably be Latin Rite, but, for example, Paul VI was an Ambrosian, not Roman, Rite Catholic as he was Archbishop of Milan at the time. Milan is not part of the Roman rite, but is Catholic.

 

[Groningen]

Could 1 Labour commuter not give up his seat for Jeremy Corbyn?

 

[EM2]

The PM has also used public trains.

A Web search for 'Theresa May train' doesn't appear to bring up anything relevant.

 

[AlterEgo]

A Web search for 'Theresa May train' doesn't appear to bring up anything relevant.

I mean the office of Prime Minister, not the one who’s only been in office. We are talking about the office, seeing as the assertion is Corbyn would not have security if he held that office. Seeing the PM on the train is not that unusual, Cameron took them more often than the Queen, for example.

Google “David Cameron on a train” or “Gordon Brown on a train” or whichever you like.

It’s not unusual, it’s done for PR purposes and they would have the same or similar security arrangements as the Queen.

It’s just wrong to suggest otherwise.

 

[EM2]

I mean the office of Prime Minister, not the one who’s only been in office. We are talking about the office, seeing as the assertion is Corbyn would not have security if he held that office.

One person's assertion.
And what about the assertion that the Prime Minister to travel in armoured limousines is 'a necessity'? You argue that that wasn't an assertion. Why not?
Why is my statement about the Queen challenged to the nth linguistic degree, but not Up_Tilt's about necessities?

 

[AlterEgo]

One person's assertion.
And what about the assertion that the Prime Minister to travel in armoured limousines is 'a necessity'?

I’m sure it is a necessity for a lot of the travel they do. Or, if you don’t want to use the term “necessity”, it’s simply a form of sensible risk management.

Why else would they do it?

 

[northwichcat]

Not all popes are Roman Catholics when elected. They will invariably be Latin Rite, but, for example, Paul VI was an Ambrosian, not Roman, Rite Catholic as he was Archbishop of Milan at the time. Milan is not part of the Roman rite, but is Catholic.

Roman Catholic is generally seen as an outdated term. In the UK most churches and church schools changed from calling themselves R.C. to Catholic in the 1990s, a few older conservative priests might still use the term R.C.

 

[OneOffDave]

One of the reasons the PM travels by road in the convoy they do is that while going about planned events, they still need to be contactable via secure means and have to capability to get to somewhere with even more secure comms at very short notice. They can be blue-lighted to where they need to go at very high speed. You can't really do that if you've arrived by train and taken a taxi or something to your final destination.
This is over and above any security concerns for the person of the prime minister.

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

One person's assertion.
And what about the assertion that the Prime Minister to travel in armoured limousines is 'a necessity'? You argue that that wasn't an assertion. Why not?
Why is my statement about the Queen challenged to the nth linguistic degree, but not Up_Tilt's about necessities?

Because my “assertion” ultimately about the security of the Prime Minister being necessary, with the use of the term of “armoured limousines” in reference to the OP’s original post. I wasn’t the one who originally implied that the PM travels around in an armoured limousine convoy. I point to you to part of the original post.

He doesn’t get taxied around to places in an armoured limousine convoy, he doesn’t get helicoptered over to campaign events unlike a certain PM we all know

So perhaps my “assertion” of security being a necessity isn’t challenged because everyone else also thinks it is, likely based on the fact that even a young MP with only a year in the UK Parliament (yes, I mean Jo Cox) can be violently attacked and killed. The Prime Minister couldn’t afford the risks.

 

[Tetchytyke]

MPs - including party leaders - frequently travel by train.

And if they're the Conservative Chancellor of the Exchequer, they buy a standard class ticket and then DYKWIA it all the way down to first class to bag a free upgrade on Virgin Trains.

Don't they Gideon Osborne?

 

[northwichcat]

And if they're the Conservative Chancellor of the Exchequer, they buy a standard class ticket and then DYKWIA it all the way down to first class to bag a free upgrade on Virgin Trains.

Don't they Gideon Osborne?

He claims he sent his aide to try and bag a free upgrade because there were no table seats in standard class (meaning he couldn't do work) and when the TM refused the aide purchased an upgrade. However, his aide claimed on Twitter Osborne requested FC tickets and he pressed the wrong button on the TVM, before realising that was against MP guidelines and deleting it. A journalist who witnessed the conversation between the TM and the aide later walked through Osborne's carriage where she saw he was watching a film on his laptop. I recall VT claimed the journalist wasn't being truthful.