DarloRich
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Does anyone know what is working this train today 
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C11003/2018/01/24/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C11003/2018/01/24/advanced
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HST on 1307 Manchester Piccadilly to Bristol 24/01/18
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STKKK46
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Keeping perfectly to time so far as well (touch wood!)
DarloRich
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We have a winner! An HST at Piccadilly must be a rarity these day
I've certainly never seen one in before but then again I haven't lived in Manchester that long.
STKKK46
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People elsewhere suggesting 2004 was the last time (at least in normal service)
ValleyLines142
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Why is it a HST?
XC ran HSTs on Summer Saturday trains to Paignton/Newquay from Manchester Piccadilly until 2009/2010.
YorkshireBear
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Disruption down south meant they were turning trains into whatever suitable path they could.
STKKK46
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I thought that was a little over the top... Still quite a long time!
It is due to be set swapped at Birmingham for the run back to Bristol I believe.
sprinterguy
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Loss of signalling in the Bristol Parkway area resulted in significant alterations to Crosscountry services. As such, the HST set working 1V44 06:00 Leeds - Plymouth was terminated at Gloucester, took up the path of 07:02 Paignton - Manchester from there, and is subsequently working back to Birmingham on 1V57 (The 13:07 from Manchester), where it'll pick up it's previous booked working of 1S51 12:25 Plymouth - Glasgow.
dave87016
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43301/321 were the PC
I know little about X country drivers and depots but I am surprised the drivers that sign Manchester know HST's? Everything we see now is how route knowledge and traction tends to be limited to a "need to know" basis on the modern day railway.
It could well be an out and back Birmingham turn. I am aware of a Birmingham based XC driver who, from previous conversations signs all of Manchester to Bournemouth, plus Birmingham to Derby and I believe all XC traction. They may sign Bristol way too but I can't recall off-hand
PHILIPE
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Birmingham drivers work the services to Manchester and also work on the core NE/SW XC Route over which the HSTs work,
Kite159
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And looking at RTT it seems a set swap happened so the HST departed as the 13:07 rather than the 12:27 Bournemouth* [with a fast turnaround for the 12:27 Bournemouth as the voyager for that only arrived from the sunny south at 12:24]
(*Well Banbury where it was cancelled)
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Sorry that this will be irrelevant but today CrossCountry used one of their 7-coach HST was used on the 13:07 from Manchester Piccadilly to Birmingham New Street then it's 16:03 from Birmingham New Street to Scotland.
After tweeting / asking XC how on earth did a HST make it to Manchester, they basically replied it was due to a blockage in the South West. Plus they said it was better than cancelling it - I don't need to agree as a replacement 7-car HST instead of a Voyager is certainly what most passengers and commuters would want.
Also, a train broke down between Oxford and Banbury so that would probably make XC basically think "Right, let's use the HST to and from Manchester so that a service there can be run.
So, the HSTs diagrams I think were either the...
1. 06:06 Edinburgh to Birmingham New Street (BHM) - not Plymouth.
2. Delayed 10:57 or 11:31 from BHM to Manchester Piccadilly.
3. 13:07 Manchester Piccadilly to BHM(mentioned earlier).
4. 16:03 BHM to Glasgow Central (also mentioned earlier).
Hope this all helps !
After tweeting / asking XC how on earth did a HST make it to Manchester, they basically replied it was due to a blockage in the South West. Plus they said it was better than cancelling it - I don't need to agree as a replacement 7-car HST instead of a Voyager is certainly what most passengers and commuters would want.
Also, a train broke down between Oxford and Banbury so that would probably make XC basically think "Right, let's use the HST to and from Manchester so that a service there can be run.
So, the HSTs diagrams I think were either the...
1. 06:06 Edinburgh to Birmingham New Street (BHM) - not Plymouth.
2. Delayed 10:57 or 11:31 from BHM to Manchester Piccadilly.
3. 13:07 Manchester Piccadilly to BHM(mentioned earlier).
4. 16:03 BHM to Glasgow Central (also mentioned earlier).
Hope this all helps !
sufian123
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Actually it was 1V44 0600
Leeds-Plymouth terminated at Cheltenham. Returned to Birmingham departure as 1031 for 1159 arrival at Manchester. Later did 1307 Man-bhm and normal route to Glasgow as 1S51.
Mitchell Hurd
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Oh well that was even better then. Thanks !
221129
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It was spun at Gloucester not Birmingham or Cheltenham
sufian123
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Your welcome. I’m uploading a pic
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DarloRich
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Birmingham seem to cover everywhere and everything. Modern day Saltley Seagulls.
An East Midlands Trains has HST visited a couple of times, certainly during the Watford blockades and again in (I think) 2014 for a service from Liverpool.
STKKK46
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Considering where my information was from, this thread has proved quite interesting. I had no idea, cheers.
DarloRich
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Not my picture but for posterity:
43321 by Javelin395, on Flickr
Interesting - i knew they were planned but didn't know they had actually run.
43321 by Javelin395, on FlickrInteresting - i knew they were planned but didn't know they had actually run.
sufian123
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Thanks. I know 1S51 started at new st following RTT. I couldn’t work 1V44 I assumed it was Cheltenham. Thanks once again.
sufian123
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Not my picture but for posterity:
Interesting - i knew they were planned but didn't know they had actually run.
I should've said. I copied it from there. I'm sorry got to exicted
Especially being long swing link
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