Caledonian Sleeper Mk5 Discussion

[BRX]

Fantastic video. Great to see them finally in the UK.

Obviously barrier/translator vehicles are required because of the Dellners, but what are the flat wagons for?

Brake force I think

 

[BRX]

Would have been nice if their first trip north had been with a 92 on the front (which could have taken them all the way!) but a 37 was nice enough, a class that has some history with the sleeper. I was curious whether 37884 might ever have been in charge of an Inverness or Fort William sleeper... and found this photo (not mine) from the late 90s.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roddymacphee/8026951354/in/album-72157631620241648/

 

[Mag_seven]

Brake force I think

I thought that that was only required for the tunnel move with a non-dellner fitted loco. I just assumed the wagons were left on to get them back to Wembley and the move forward tonight will see them removed. I could be completely wrong though?

 

[GW43125]

Obviously barrier/translator vehicles are required because of the Dellners, but what are the flat wagons for?

37884 is Dellner fitted.

Are the carriages braked on the standard two-pipe air system?

 

[speedy_sticks]

Why why is it being held at Kensington Olympia for so long question mark

 

[BRX]

I thought that that was only required for the tunnel move with a non-delnner fitted loco. I just assumed the wagons were left on to get them back to Wembley and the move forward tonight will see them removed. I could be completely wrong though?

No, you are probably right and I'm likely completely wrong!

Electrostar moves come past here quite often, with those ROG 37s, and they have no translators or brake force wagons. On the other hand, cl.707 and 700 deliveries do have a hefty rake of brake force wagons.

 

[InOban]

They look like timber wagons. Do we export timber?

 

[captainbigun]

Not all Dellners are the same.

Stock is dual pipe, but pneumatics are through the coupler.

 

[GW43125]

Not all Dellners are the same.

Stock is dual pipe, but pneumatics are through the coupler.

How exactly can a dellner differ?

The second sentence makes no sense to me, sorry. Surely dual pipe and through the coupler are opposites?

 

[BRX]

They look like timber wagons. Do we export timber?

They are more like the flat wagons used for steel ingots that I see coming past on their way from Scunthorpe to the channel tunnel. Timber wagons have sturdier and higher uprights along the sides.

 

[captainbigun]

How exactly can a dellner differ?

The second sentence makes no sense to me, sorry. Surely dual pipe and through the coupler are opposites?

Different sizes and different heights.

Dual pipe is a method of supply and control. The pipes are connected through the coupler which has a pneumatic addition.

 

[GW43125]

Different sizes and different heights.

Dual pipe is a method of supply and control. The pipes are connected through the coupler which has a pneumatic addition.

Why do they always have to make it so difficult?

I fail to see the issue with standardised buckeye/tightlock and bagpipes. Adds redundancy.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Just been told it's going back to Dolland's Moor due to a problem with the paperwork!!

 

[GW43125]

Just been told it's going back to Dolland's Moor due to a problem with the paperwork!!

Nothing like good old joined-up thinking.

 

[captainbigun]

Why do they always have to make it so difficult?

I fail to see the issue with standardised buckeye/tightlock and bagpipes. Adds redundancy.

The sleeper stock is unchartered water. Working at height regulations due to the portion coupling/uncoupling and the gangways all add additional requirements.

Paperwork can only be gauge clearance. Likely signaller has pulled it up because it's out of gauge somewhere on the booked route.

 

[GW43125]

On the move northwards.
No idea if it's a shunt or heading direct to Polmadie

 

[cj_1985]

do Alstom at Polmadie have a loco/shunter with a dellner to enable them to shunt it/them, or will they rely on GB 73s in the short term

 

[Scotrail84]

do Alstom at Polmadie have a loco/shunter with a dellner to enable them to shunt it/them, or will they rely on GB 73s in the short term

1. Not as far as I know but they may have a barrier vehicle they can use with a pilot loco. Do the couplers not drop to reveal a drawhook in case of emergencies?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Nothing like good old joined-up thinking.

I gather that common sense has prevailed and the stock moved forwards to Wembley after a couple of hours further delay.

 

[ScottDarg]

Not as far as I know but they may have a barrier vehicle they can use with a pilot loco. Do the couplers not drop to reveal a drawhook in case of emergencies?

As I underand it, and by looking at the pics of the couplings Tam posted a few pages back, the coaches only have Dellners, no drawhook. The 73s (and presumably the 92s?) retain their drawhooks alongside the Dellner.

I know Polmadie has 2 08s, not sure if either of them have been/will be given a Dellner attachment. Never seen a barrier vehicle when passing either, but that's not to say there isn't one.

 

[mackeral1234]

Has it left Wembley for the North yet... is so may pop to Crewe in a bit to see.

 

[ScottDarg]

Has it left Wembley for the North yet... is so may pop to Crewe in a bit to see.

Yep, running 35 minutes late.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Here's one of my images from today; I have more but I need to straighten some of them up a bit first...!!

This is 15101 at Olympia.

 

[Highlandspring]

They must have faith in those inbuilt tail lamps since there's no lamp brackets...

 

[marks87]

They must have faith in those inbuilt tail lamps since there's no lamp brackets...

Looking closely, there’s a bracket on the outside of each tail light. They’re hard to see but definitely there.

 

[Highlandspring]

On looking again you're quite correct!

 

[Bletchleyite]

Looking good there. I look forward to a ride, even if it might need a second mortgage taking out to pay for it!

 

[Pete_uk]

I note how aerodynamically clean they are, compared to the 800's...

 

[TimboM]

As I underand it, and by looking at the pics of the couplings Tam posted a few pages back, the coaches only have Dellners, no drawhook. The 73s (and presumably the 92s?) retain their drawhooks alongside the Dellner.

I know Polmadie has 2 08s, not sure if either of them have been/will be given a Dellner attachment. Never seen a barrier vehicle when passing either, but that's not to say there isn't one.

Yes, the 92s (like the 73/9s) will retain the drawhooks, with the Dellners able to drop down, so that they can continue to be used on freight work and classic stock. Like the 73/9s, the buffers on the 92s will also be retractable so they can be moved back in "Dellner mode" and then brought forward for conventional stock.

As CaptainBigun has mentioned, the Mk5 Dellners are pretty specific, so my hunch is a barrier/convertor vehicle of some sort would be needed for the likes of the 08s (and the "new" 47/ACLG locos - if not modified) to move them about in Polmadie. I would expect once testing is in full swing that a 73/9 (on rotation) will be at Polmadie most of the time and move the stock.

 

[USRailFan]

Sounds like a strange choice - what's wrong with the traditional Buckeye couplers?