Branson overrules VTWC - Daily Mail once again to be available onboard

[43021HST]

To be honest I don't know why this story keeps dragging on anymore.

What's happened isn't censorship, it's merely a company no longer stocking a product because it's no longer as popular. But they've turned it into a political issue to distract from their own failings.

It's the equivalent of them no longer stocking Cadbury Twirls, because they although they weren't selling all that well, but then blaming it on the obesity epidemic.

At the end of the day print newspapers are old hat so their going to sell less and less, and their associated 'SUN WOT WON IT, ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE' image has put many people off reading them. Saying it's the second most popular paper is like saying it's the second most popular mangle.

It will become increasingly common for various places in order to adapt to the changing needs of the free market (something many of these newspapers fervently advocate) will stop selling many newspapers regardless of political views. It's not censorship or some left wing conspiracy, it's merely the free-market.

 

[fowler9]

To be honest I don't know why this story keeps dragging on anymore.

What's happened isn't censorship, it's merely a company no longer stocking a product because it's no longer as popular. But they've turned it into a political issue to distract from their own failings.

It's the equivalent of them no longer stocking Cadbury Twirls, because they although they weren't selling all that well, but then blaming it on the obesity epidemic.

At the end of the day print newspapers are old hat so their going to sell less and less, and their associated 'SUN WOT WON IT, ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE' image has put many people off reading them. Saying it's the second most popular paper is like saying it's the second most popular mangle.

It will become increasingly common for various places in order to adapt to the changing needs of the free market (something many of these newspapers fervently advocate) will stop selling many newspapers regardless of political views. It's not censorship or some left wing conspiracy, it's merely the free-market.

Ha ha, a very good point and well put. The Daily Mail should probably view it as a victory.

 

[TheNewNo2]

They pay a pretty penny to TfL for this though don't they?

I hope so! I accept that the Standard and Metro is a commercial decision, and while they may be Daily Mail Group, and undenialbly rags, they're not filled with the virulent racism, homophobia and misogyny which infects the Mail.

 

[fowler9]

I hope so! I accept that the Standard and Metro is a commercial decision, and while they may be Daily Mail Group, and undenialbly rags, they're not filled with the virulent racism, homophobia and misogyny which infects the Mail.

The Metro website is comparable with the Daily Sport.

 

[Agent_Squash]

I hope so! I accept that the Standard and Metro is a commercial decision, and while they may be Daily Mail Group, and undenialbly rags, they're not filled with the virulent racism, homophobia and misogyny which infects the Mail.

The majority owner of the Standard is the owner of the Independent.

 

[Welly]

How long is it before VTWC blames the late train on "virtue-signalling failure"!

 

[TheNewNo2]

My problem with the Mail always used to be it was too tabloid to have news, but too broadsheet to have boobies.

 

[fowler9]

My problem with the Mail always used to be it was too tabloid to have news, but too broadsheet to have boobies.

Check out the online version. They want to ban porn and fill their sidebar of shame with women in bikinis who never got paid to be photographed, then they slag them off for how they look undressed.

 

[SS4]

Check out the online version. They want to ban porn and fill their sidebar of shame with women in bikinis who never got paid to be photographed, then they slag them off for how they look undressed.

And said women are not always adults. I also highly doubt that the Daily Heil obtains permission to publish the photographs.

As a country we need to re-evaluate our relationship with the Press. They take an awful lot and shirk their responsibilties

 

[NorthernSpirit]

The thing is, is that Nigel is right. You just can't ban things, as that to me is laying down and allowing the enemy to treat you as a doormat. A workable solution would be for the Daily Mail to continue to be stocked, you just have to request it instead. The way Virgin have gone about it is no better than what has been done in Liverpool with the Sun. Personally its rather childish.

Many on here will know that I heavily despise of the Guardian, but you know what - if I was running a TOC it wouldn't be banned, it'd be still available it would have to be requested onboard as an under-the-counter title.

 

[SS4]

The thing is, is that Nigel is right. You just can't ban things, as that to me is laying down and allowing the enemy to treat you as a doormat. A workable solution would be for the Daily Mail to continue to be stocked, you just have to request it instead. The way Virgin have gone about it is no better than what has been done in Liverpool with the Sun. Personally its rather childish.

Many on here will know that I heavily despise of the Guardian, but you know what - if I was running a TOC it wouldn't be banned, it'd be still available it would have to be requested onboard as an under-the-counter title.

Nigel is wrong (in other news the Pope has announced he's Catholic) - the Daily Heil is not banned and Virgin are not confiscating copies from passengers or staff. They made a decision to not sell it in much the same way LM decided to remove their food trolleys and let passengers starve on long journeys. I'd also bet my savings that he'd have kept his mouth shut if it were the Guardian that was pulled.

Just get your "newspaper" from a newsagent/supermarket in the same way you wouldn't buy bog roll from VT

 

[fowler9]

The thing is, is that Nigel is right. You just can't ban things, as that to me is laying down and allowing the enemy to treat you as a doormat. A workable solution would be for the Daily Mail to continue to be stocked, you just have to request it instead. The way Virgin have gone about it is no better than what has been done in Liverpool with the Sun. Personally its rather childish.

Many on here will know that I heavily despise of the Guardian, but you know what - if I was running a TOC it wouldn't be banned, it'd be still available it would have to be requested onboard as an under-the-counter title.

Right the Mail has not been banned so you are wrong on that count. As for Liverpool you probably know very well that The Sun has admitted that it lied to the entire country and that police are in court over it. What is childish about standing up to the media lying?

 

[Bromley boy]

How long is it before VTWC blames the late train on "virtue-signalling failure"!

Brilliant.

 

[Tetchytyke]

They want to ban porn and fill their sidebar of shame with women in bikinis

Women?

The sidebar of shame seems to be 13-year-old girls ("flaunting their blossoming curves") whenever I see it.

Does anyone have the phone number for Operation Yewtree?

 

[NorthernSpirit]

Anything that annoys Kippers and foaming Tories is fine by me.

Key thing to remember, would you want the same done to your political views? I don't think that you would.

 

[Darandio]

The thing is, is that Nigel is right. You just can't ban things,

Nobody banned anything, how many more times does it have to be pointed out in this thread?

 

[Howardh]

My problem with the Mail always used to be it was too tabloid to have news, but too broadsheet to have boobies.

I always thought the Mail was generally aimed at women, you know, pages and pages of fashion, make-up, lifestyle, football, that sort of thing, so why don't we have pictures of topless hunky men on page three? Yorkie can do a bit of modelling in his spare time and earn a few bob, but whether he's like to be a pin-up in the Mail I'm not so sure. Of course for balance there would occasionally have to be pictures of ladies for the lady-liking ladies, and on bank holidays for us on here, maybe a full-frontal of a class 142 leaving Exeter St. Davids?

 

[NorthernSpirit]

As for Liverpool you probably know very well that The Sun has admitted that it lied to the entire country and that police are in court over it. What is childish about standing up to the media lying?

Its the way the locals have gone about it that I see as childish. Anyway the Sun lifted the story from either the left leaning Sheffield Star or Sheffield Telegraph and performed a copy and paste excercise in their paper. So if its anything that Merseyside should be complaining about it should also be the Sheffield Star and Sheffield Telegraph too for printing it in the first place, which allowed The Sun to copy and paste the story.

 

[NorthernSpirit]

Nobody banned anything, how many more times does it have to be pointed out in this thread?

Well I am a late comer to the thread and someone else has pointed it out it us about the "nobody has banned anything".

 

[AlterEgo]

Key thing to remember, would you want the same done to your political views? I don't think that you would.

Want what done to their political views exactly?

 

[jon0844]

Do they sell every other newspaper and magazine in print? Can I buy Carp Fishing Monthly or What Yacht? If not, how dare they restrict my choice!

I'd also expect them to stock pints of milk, wiper blades, bin bags, thimbles, staplers and Dulux paint. If they don't, it's blatant censorship.

 

[Howardh]

Do they sell every other newspaper and magazine in print? Can I buy Carp Fishing Monthly or What Yacht? If not, how dare they restrict my choice!

I'd also expect them to stock pints of milk, wiper blades, bin bags, thimbles, staplers and Dulux paint. If they don't, it's blatant censorship.

Think you can buy milk and they will definitely give you a bag for free to collect your rubbish, which would probably be used copies of the Daily Mail...
Questions, can you buy condoms on-board/ You know, in winter when it's dark outside and there's nothing to see, and it's a four-hour journey up to Glasgow, and the carriage all but empties at Carlisle...

 

[fowler9]

Its the way the locals have gone about it that I see as childish. Anyway the Sun lifted the story from either the left leaning Sheffield Star or Sheffield Telegraph and performed a copy and paste excercise in their paper. So if its anything that Merseyside should be complaining about it should also be the Sheffield Star and Sheffield Telegraph too for printing it in the first place, which allowed The Sun to copy and paste the story.

Mate I am one of the locals. A lad I went to Scouts with died there. Thanks for pointing out all of our mistakes over the years, I'm sorry we all missed those points and that you find us childish. It would be kind of hard to boycott the Sheffield Star or whatever they have there in Liverpool would it not?

 

[DarloRich]

Key thing to remember, would you want the same done to your political views? I don't think that you would.

yeah no worires - Virgin can stop selling the Northern Echo. I think i will live. Key thing to remember is that no one is banning anything.

Its the way the locals have gone about it that I see as childish. Anyway the Sun lifted the story from either the left leaning Sheffield Star or Sheffield Telegraph and performed a copy and paste excercise in their paper. So if its anything that Merseyside should be complaining about it should also be the Sheffield Star and Sheffield Telegraph too for printing it in the first place, which allowed The Sun to copy and paste the story.

That is total rubbish worthy of the Sun or The Daily Mail

The truth (key thing to remember) is that the Sun picked up the story from Whites news agency of Sheffield. Here is a link to the original report: http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/docs/NGN000000010001.pdf ( it is from the Hillsborough Independent Panel so I suggest it is kosher before you start. ) There doesn't seem to be any suggestion the story ran in the Sheffield Star, despite what you think. It ran in the Sun. It was a lie. The truth about what happened ( the real truth - not the "truth" put about by the Sun and their Tory chums) is clear.

Do try to educate yourself before posting. These lies were exposed almost immediately ( by the Sheffield Star and others) and destroyed utterly by the Taylor Report.

(PS the Mirror and the Star ran stories with similar information to that of the Sun but as a report rather than "fact". They quickly clarified. The Sun didn't.)

 

[Up_Tilt_390]

Right the Mail has not been banned so you are wrong on that count. As for Liverpool you probably know very well that The Sun has admitted that it lied to the entire country and that police are in court over it. What is childish about standing up to the media lying?

I concur. I have no interest in Football myself, but as a fellow Liverpudlian I agree. There's nothing childish about standing up to lying media.

Its the way the locals have gone about it that I see as childish. Anyway the Sun lifted the story from either the left leaning Sheffield Star or Sheffield Telegraph and performed a copy and paste excercise in their paper. So if its anything that Merseyside should be complaining about it should also be the Sheffield Star and Sheffield Telegraph too for printing it in the first place, which allowed The Sun to copy and paste the story.

Even if you take what you said into account, The Sun is still an absolute cancer that is worse than the Daily Mail, and it lying about Hillsborough was one of several things it has done. One time it took a few pictures of Jeremy Corbyn and pieced them together and tried to frame it as him dancing a jig down Downing Street on the way to the Centopah one remembrance Sunday. In actuality it was Jeremy Corbyn walking alongside a veteran. In another example, they paid more attention on the fact he didn't bow as deeply as David Cameron in 2015 while ignoring the fact he was the only one to stay behind after the remembrance ceremony.

I am no fan of Corbyn, in fact I think he's a plant-pot who doesn't really know what his dreams will result in, but he's been the victim of blatant libel by both The Sun and Mail, who have consistently ignored things that the Tories have done wrong. I don't strictly think you should ban them, even despite their blatant agenda, because like you I'd let people have the choice to buy what they want. But I wouldn't sell them, and I don't care if someone else doesn't want to. Free speech is having the right to speak freely. It does not include having the right to be listened to, so Liverpool boycotting The Sun, in my opinion, isn't childish.

 

[DarloRich]

I hope so! I accept that the Standard and Metro is a commercial decision, and while they may be Daily Mail Group, and undenialbly rags, they're not filled with the virulent racism, homophobia and misogyny which infects the Mail.

C.25% owned by Daily Mail and General Trust

The majority owner of the Standard is the owner of the Independent.

No it isnt. The vast majority is owned by Russian businessman Evgeny Lebedev ( or his company) who also owns the The Independent

The thing is, is that Nigel is right. You just can't ban things, as that to me is laying down and allowing the enemy to treat you as a doormat. A workable solution would be for the Daily Mail to continue to be stocked, you just have to request it instead. The way Virgin have gone about it is no better than what has been done in Liverpool with the Sun. Personally its rather childish.

Many on here will know that I heavily despise of the Guardian, but you know what - if I was running a TOC it wouldn't be banned, it'd be still available it would have to be requested onboard as an under-the-counter title.

Important thing to note: NO ONE IS BANNING ANYTHING. That is despite what your hero Farage might want to suggest. As his chum Trump might say: That is false news. Have we got that point?

 

[gavin]

VTWC considering reintroducing the Daily Mail

 

[DarloRich]

VTWC considering reintroducing the Daily Mail

Interesting - have you a link to a source?

 

[nlogax]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-twitter-newspapers-sell-policy-a8159446.html

 

[gavin]

Here's the link

https://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/virgin-trains-and-daily-mail

Richard Branson and business partner Brian Souter were not aware of the removal until it made it into the media