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Rolling stock era overlap on South Western metals

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Simple couple of questions which I'm sure someone can answer straightaway!:

How long was the transition from BR era CIGs VEPs etc on SW metals, to full service with current stock i.e. Desiros? Presumably on the Weymouth route there was no overlap as Desiros replaced 442s? When was the last London-Bournemouth/Weymouth slam-door service?

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Simple couple of questions which I'm sure someone can answer straightaway!:

How long was the transition from BR era CIGs VEPs etc on SW metals, to full service with current stock i.e. Desiros? Presumably on the Weymouth route there was no overlap as Desiros replaced 442s? When was the last London-Bournemouth/Weymouth slam-door service?

Cheers.
Last Slam door on SWT was in May 2005!
 

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I loved the reps , when they were withdrawn I visited eastliegh works from york works , we needed some parts out of the first class compartments for some Mk1 fk we were doing for the midland mainline
 

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On one of those Network Southeast awayday special days (what a great idea) I went to Weymouth, sometime in spring 1988. I remember going down on 442 and returning by REP.
 

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SWT were the last with the MK 1S im sure

Yes, if you count the Lymington branch CIGs which finished in May 2010. If you are referring to main line operation, though, it was Southern (formerly South Central) in November 2005.

However, THE last Mark 1 vehicles in regular passenger service on Network Rail metals were the Chiltern Class 121 "Bubble Car" DMUs.
 

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Yes, if you count the Lymington branch CIGs which finished in May 2010. If you are referring to main line operation, though, it was Southern (formerly South Central) in November 2005.

However, THE last Mark 1 vehicles in regular passenger service on Network Rail metals were the Chiltern Class 121 "Bubble Car" DMUs.

They're not 'Mark 1' based though, surely? That'd be things like the Thumpers, I'd have thought 'heritage' DMUs were a rather different set of beasites?
 

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They're not 'Mark 1' based though, surely? That'd be things like the Thumpers, I'd have thought 'heritage' DMUs were a rather different set of beasites?

I'm never sure about that. I've heard heritage DMUs described as being Mark 1 based, but I used to think they weren't "Mark" anything.
 

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I'm never sure about that. I've heard heritage DMUs described as being Mark 1 based, but I used to think they weren't "Mark" anything.

Hmm! It's an interesting thought. Perhaps some were and others weren't! Some of them weren't BR-built, were they? So maybe there was a mix of designs directly based on MK1s and others from outside manufacturers?
 

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I believe the only first gen DMUs actually based on a mark 1 were the cravens units, I.e. the 105s. They were certainly the only ones with the same body profile.
 

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I remember seeing a 442 and a VEP at Weymouth at the same time. We only got the occasional VEP down there.
 

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I think the Swindon Class 123 Inter City DMUs were probably the closest in terms of actual construction, and possibly using mk1 style underframes complete with Pullman gangways and even B4 bogies, I always wondered what the ride quality must have been like on these trains?
 

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The BR Standard coach, later known as the 'Mark 1', was based on a separate underframe with stiffening trussing which carried a steel body superstructure. The underframe came in two lengths, 57ft and 63ft.

None of the DMUs built by BR or its contractors used this design as it was impossible to arrange the engines, gearboxes, cardan shafts, batteries and fuel tanks in the spaces left by the trussing.

There were two design 'Centres of Excellence' for the diesel railcars: Derby was responsible for the branch line and suburban sets and Swindon for the later Inter-City and Cross-Country units. The first of these to be designed were the units for lightly trafficked lines. The specification issued by the Railway Executive in 1952 for self-propelled diesel railcars for these services called for a power-to-weight ratio which, because of the limited power available from contemporary diesel engines, could only be achieved using aluminium alloy construction. Using these design principals, from the 'Derby lightweights' onwards the underfloor area was essentially 'clean' and the body strength was supplied by the size and arrangements of the longitudinal members, in later models assisted by the body. These DMUs had nothing in common with the BR Standard coach with its steel construction and trussed underframe.

For the later Inter-City and Cross-Country railcars the specification was changed to be comparable with the Standard coaches: end load resistance of 200 tons, Pullman gangways and buckeye couplers. Swindon designed these railcars using an integral monocoque construction (no separate underframe) and the first went into service on the Glasgow - Edinburgh route in 1957. The only common factor with the standard coach was the use of steel.

The point about these Swindon DMUs, and the later Trans-Pennine sets, was that their basic design was adopted for BR's Mark 2 stock.
 

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I think the Swindon Class 123 Inter City DMUs were probably the closest in terms of actual construction, and possibly using mk1 style underframes complete with Pullman gangways and even B4 bogies, I always wondered what the ride quality must have been like on these trains?
They were brilliant compared to contemporary DMUs.

But they had nothing in common with the BR Standard (Mark 1) coaches.
 

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450s entered service 02/10/03, 444s entered service on 21/04/04, so the transition period was a little over 2 years.
 

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The final slam door on SWT (excluding Lymington) was a Waterloo-Weymouth service on May 26th 2005 formed of two CIGs and a VEP.
 
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