Derailment near Watford Junction (16 September 2016)

[Lockwood]

It was also interesting that the GSMR presumably had no problems in the tunnel reaching the outside world but the radios brought by emergency services did.

The SECAmb Airwave manual describes the steps needed to take to switch a vehicle's set to act as a repeater and to get the hand held units to connect to that. The example given for this was operation within a tunnel.

I could imagine that parking a vehicle by that cutting in a position where it could effectively relay being a challenge - unlike a road tunnel you can't just park at the entrance.

 

[causton]

I could imagine that parking a vehicle by that cutting in a position where it could effectively relay being a challenge - unlike a road tunnel you can't just park at the entrance.

Especially as they said they could not park anywhere near the access point due to it being a narrow lane!

 

[SPADTrap]

The next one might not be so lucky.

Especially if as per the rule book it's running without a working GSMR

 

[Elecman]

I think there are GSMR repeater ariels mounted on the tunnel mouths to ensure a signal through the tunnel

 

[theageofthetra]

I think there are GSMR repeater ariels mounted on the tunnel mouths to ensure a signal through the tunnel

There are- I am surprised emergency services can't use it in some way?

 

[najaB]

There are- I am surprised emergency services can't use it in some way?

They would need to be issued handheld GSM-R units as their radios are completely different technology.

 

[CosherB]

Any new news on the units involved?

Breaking news .... one of them is repaired and on the move ....

http://railwayherald.com/imagingcentre/view/484132/TW Not mine.

 

[oversteer]

Alleleys (well worth a follow) posted this picture of a 350 DMSO being transferred back to the U.K. from Germany via Rotterdam

Guessing that’s 350264 coming back..?

https://www.facebook.com/Allelys-Heavy-Haulage-162638680551751/

 

[farci]

I am surprised that equipment like this presumably in running order is not hauled by rail through the Tunnel. Presume it's cost-related which says something about competitive pricing on rail freight?

 

[Domh245]

I am surprised that equipment like this presumably in running order is not hauled by rail through the Tunnel. Presume it's cost-related which says something about competitive pricing on rail freight?

For starters, there are only 3 vehicles coming back from Germany, so you have the issue of having to couple some sort of barrier wagon to the bar coupling on the inner end of a vehicle. You've then also got to consider that you'll have to run a full complement of barrier/braking wagons, as well as having to pay for locomotives and drivers to move these 3 cars, and it should be fairly obvious that it isn't going to make economical sense to send a 3 vehicles by rail across Europe, in much the same way that you wouldn't send a single container on it's own train across Europe. If you are sending something in bulk, or if you are able to put it in some sort of container and send it as part of a larger train then it makes sense.

 

[edwin_m]

If I recall correctly the Desiros came through the Tunnel on original delivery from Germany. But as mentioned it probably takes nearly as much time and effort to organise a one-off jouney as a regular weekly (or whatever) service.

 

[Dr Hoo]

If I recall correctly the Desiros came through the Tunnel on original delivery from Germany. But as mentioned it probably takes nearly as much time and effort to organise a one-off jouney as a regular weekly (or whatever) service.

Surely the point is that it actually takes *more* effort to organise a one-off than a regular service (which, once set up, needs no further effort to organise the next trip, at least for timetabling and diagramming purposes).

 

[DarloRich]

I am surprised that equipment like this presumably in running order is not hauled by rail through the Tunnel. Presume it's cost-related which says something about competitive pricing on rail freight?

i assume you have never tried to arrange this kind of movement then Cost isnt, really, the big blocker!

 

[Domh245]

If I recall correctly the Desiros came through the Tunnel on original delivery from Germany. But as mentioned it probably takes nearly as much time and effort to organise a one-off jouney as a regular weekly (or whatever) service.

From this webpage, it seems that they did all bar one of the 450 deliveries through the tunnel, and the equivalent 444 page implies that they were all done through the tunnel. I can't find anything about the 360s or 185s though, although I expect it'd be similar. It also seems to be the case that since at least the class 380 deliveries, that they've usually had at least 7 cars in the consist

 

[bnsf734]

Looking at the photograph the vehicle is incomplete anyway - seems to be lacking its corridor connection on the end, so how many other parts need to be added when the unit is reformed? Far easier for a one-off move like this to give the job to Allelys.

There are plenty of photos of class 700 delivery movements with something like 10 container flats as barrier/brake force vehicles.

 

[sd0733]

Its 61533 coming back looking at this pic not 264
https://www.facebook.com/162638680551751/photos/pcb.968299889985622/968299356652342/?type=3&theater

 

[Darandio]

Its 61533 coming back looking at this pic not 264
https://www.facebook.com/162638680551751/photos/pcb.968299889985622/968299356652342/?type=3&theater

Which should go back into 350233 in due course? Unless i'm missing the obvious.

 

[Ibex]

350 233 has re-entered full service (this was the northbound unit which struck the derailed train).

I believe that was repaired at Kilmarnock rather than in the Netherlands. It was fitted with WiFi last week and has been out in passenger service all week.

 

[sd0733]

350 233 has re-entered full service (this was the northbound unit which struck the derailed train).

I believe that was repaired at Kilmarnock rather than in the Netherlands. It was fitted with WiFi last week and has been out in passenger service all week.

Its got one coach from 246 in it though at the moment.

 

[sufian123]

Class 350233 is a mismatch set including from 350246 derailment near liverpool last year.

 

[sd0733]

350264 (3 coaches of 264 and one DMS off 233) out today as 5T01 Northampton to Crewe and 5T02 back paired with 350263

 

[sufian123]

350264 (3 coaches of 264 and one DMS off 233) out today as 5T01 Northampton to Crewe and 5T02 back paired with 350263

I think it’s back after being repaired 350264?

 

[sd0733]

I think it’s back after being repaired 350264?

Yes all repaired with new looking bogies and all very shiny.
It was meant to be out before but it failed before its first test.

 

[Lrd]

Yes all repaired with new looking bogies and all very shiny.
It was meant to be out before but it failed before its first test.

I'm guessing it will have to accumulate some fault free mileage before being returned to service?

 

[sufian123]

Yes all repaired with new looking bogies and all very shiny.
It was meant to be out before but it failed before its first test.

came back in LM livery

 

[centraltrains]

Are there any more updates about them going back into service yet? I'm sure I can still see class 350 coaches in the distance passing Tyseley depot....

 

[sd0733]

Are there any more updates about them going back into service yet? I'm sure I can still see class 350 coaches in the distance passing Tyseley depot....

There were 2 350 centre cars at kings heath the other day. Don't know if 246 or another broken set.

 

[E_Reeves]

Are there any more updates about them going back into service yet? I'm sure I can still see class 350 coaches in the distance passing Tyseley depot....

I noticed them still there a couple of weeks ago

 

[jimjim]

Are there any more updates about them going back into service yet? I'm sure I can still see class 350 coaches in the distance passing Tyseley depot....

They left for Kings Heath last Monday