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EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

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furnessvale

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Virtually everyone has damaging information about them that could be used against them later if the police were to get hold of it.
True. It is the job of the police to investigate criminal matters. It is not the job of the police to further investigate matters which are legal, if not very savoury. It is even less the job of the police to leak such matters to the press.
 
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Let's have the truth, "The EU can whistle for the £100bn they are demanding" is far closer to what Boris actually said.
100bn EUROS! OK, after Brexit the £/euro was virtually parity, but the £ has gained v the Euro thanks to the abandoning of hard Brexit. The current £40bn isn't set in stone as far as I'm aware; and we will probably still be paying in for access (it won't come free).
 
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Your passport will be dark blue again. According to Brandon Lewis: it will help to promote the recovery of national identity.
 

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The return of the blue passport is symbolic in Britain becoming a “proper” country again, Nigel Farage has told LBC.
 

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The return of the blue passport is symbolic in Britain becoming a “proper” country again, Nigel Farage has told LBC.
I can't think of anything less important. My future prosperity is at risk, but at least I'll have a blue passport to use on the foreign trips I won't be able to afford.
 

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I'll put mine inside a claret cover. It's what's inside that matters! Nine years away though, so we will hopefully be back in the EU proper by then.
In any case, passports will probably end up being phased out and replaced by cards, fingerprinting or eye scans. Put your prints on a database and they get touched in on arrival, and saves the palava when you lose your passport. Won't stop anyone crossing the Irish border into (and out of) the UK.
 

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I don't see why people would get upset.
The colour of the nations passport is a symbol that Is important to people.
The maroon colour is relatively unpopular with the public - myself I don't think it looks very good against the printed text/image.

and its not like specifying blue instead of maroon on the next production run will significantly increase costs
 

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It may be important to some people, but I'm yet to come across any of them.
Think we should be able to choose our own colour - it's what's inside that counts. However the bigger issue may be what we will require to travel to Europe in addition to the passport. Although I accept it's pretty unlikely we shall need visas/equivalent there's still no conformation that will be the case, and we still don't know whether we will be treated as *aliens* or still be able to use the EU/EEA lanes as the Swiss do. When I travel through Euro airports I notice the lanes are marked EU/EEA + CH, so there's no reason why not. Still, if Brexit wants to make life difficult for everyone...
 

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Although I accept it's pretty unlikely we shall need visas/equivalent there's still no conformation that will be the case, and we still don't know whether we will be treated as *aliens* or still be able to use the EU/EEA lanes as the Swiss do.
That is entirely in our gift - I fully expect that whatever requirements we impose will be reciprocated by the EU.
 

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That is entirely in our gift - I fully expect that whatever requirements we impose will be reciprocated by the EU.
the one huge thing in our favour is they won't want to mess our tourists around, those really are big bucks, and I would suggest the reason why Spain is keeping relatively passive over Gibraltar. One of the big pulls of travelling to the EU/Europe is the lack of bureaucracy and how easy it is to pop over for a day*. And vice versa - them to us. If we start needing to obtain forms, visas, whatever, probably won't stop mass travel (maybe an early dip?) but could mean places without visas become more attractive? However, if we require EU's to have visas then that's a different kettle of worms, they are used to travelling around the EU with the minimum so why should they get all tooled up (with the extra expense and hassle) to come shopping in london when they can do it hassle-free in Luxembourg? And of course EU's don't holiday here for the weather!
So it's a case of be careful what you wish for - and any border bureaucracy to keep neerdowells out becomes meaningless when the Irish border remains wide open.

*I note that the proposed ETIAD scheme for non-EU's means a visitor has to state where their first night's stay is. Bit of a nonsense if you are only on a day trip....
 

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The return of the blue passport is symbolic in Britain becoming a “proper” country again, Nigel Farage has told LBC.

Although, the old British passports were actually black not blue. Apparently the new ones will be navy - given the blue in the Union Jack flag represents St Andrew, the patron saint of Scotland why will navy represent Britain more than the current burgundy? (Red is used to represent 3 of the 4 UK countries.)
 

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Then why did the govt opt at some point to change the colour? Why wait to change it back until post brexit?

Because Thatcher loved the EU and everything it stood for, I imagine? After all the EU ensures Thatcherite marketisation of utilities and public services can never be undone.

Because the Government still believes in Harmonisation with Europe. I do blelieve that if David Cameron had come back and added "we will get blue passports back" onto the end of his renegotiation, that it would have affected the referendum result.
 

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That could be black or it could just be incredibly dark blue - the two are hard to tell apart in digital photography.
 

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I'm afraid that's just bad lighting.
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The irony is those wanting the old passport back (Brexiters) are the ones who don't want to leave these shores!! Anyhow, that aside, I wonder how many of those demanding the blue back and still have many years left on the burgundy will splash out £70+ for an immediate replacement?
 

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The UK Government in all their communications on the issue confirm the passport was always blue and never black.
I believe that they were black prior to 1920. So the switch to dark blue actually represents the start of the end of the Empire!
 
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The irony is those wanting the old passport back (Brexiters) are the ones who don't want to leave these shores!! Anyhow, that aside, I wonder how many of those demanding the blue back and still have many years left on the burgundy will splash out £70+ for an immediate replacement?
Or how many of us will splash out £70+ for an early replacement to make sure we have a burgundy one for as long as possible.
 

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Or how many of us will splash out £70+ for an early replacement to make sure we have a burgundy one for as long as possible.

I don't think you can get a new passport if your hold an existing one which isn't lost or stolen, unless it's got less than 9 months to go and if you renew early then your new passport expires 10 years after the expiry date of your current passport - unlike a driving licence which expires 10 years after the date you apply.
 

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I don't think you can get a new passport if your hold an existing one which isn't lost or stolen, unless it's got less than 9 months to go and if you renew early then your new passport expires 10 years after the expiry date of your current passport - unlike a driving licence which expires 10 years after the date you apply.

Interesting thing is, I thought you had to update your photo on your driving licence every ten years.
But I passed my test 2 months before the expiry of my provisional, and my licence is now apparently valid for another ten years.
So I will have a nearly 20 year old photo on it.
 

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So the very future of the prosperity of the British Economy is on the line yet the colour of the bloody passport is the biggest issue for for Brexiteers.
 
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