As was the population. And there was rationing.
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Hence why I said that the average diet would have to change.
As an aside, the population is about 22% higher now than in 1943 (source), in that timeframe average wheat yield has gone from 3t/ha to over 7t/ha (source: Agriculture in Post War Britain)
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But why would we need to become self-sufficient in food? The world is waiting to buy our exports and we shall be so much better at exporting than we have ever been before that there will be no shortage at all of the foreign currencies needed to buy and import whatever foods we choose. And our brave new industries will be churning out the very high quality consumer goods we all want to buy, so there will be no further need to spend our foreign currencies on importing all those BMWs or Mercedes[es], washing-machines, or electronic goods, so there's still more to go on foods.
I don't think that we would, but we could.
RichmondCommu
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No more satsumas then?
Not unless we build several new nuclear power plants (to heat and light large greenhouses).
I think you might need to put a suitable emoticon after that post lest a leaver thinks that you have swallowed the lies that they believe.
Fair play mate. I still think it would take a leap of the imagination to sell seasonal home grown food as a benefit of Brexit. Ecologically that is very sound though.
Clearly not going to happen......by far the biggest single seller in supermarkets are bananas. I darseay the technology exists to grow bananas in a controlled enclosed environment in the UK however......some out of the box thinking would suggest scaling up the Eden Project in Cornwall to some significant size I would have thought
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Difficult to fully unpick the above quote. It’s also difficult for me to express the reasons I no longer wish the U.K. to remain as part of the EU into one post (immigration is pretty low on the list for me, personally, although I would EU immigration was was governed by the U.K. rather than Brussels).
In terms of Brussels being no less democratic than Westminster I fundamentally disagree.
In the U.K., parliament is sovereign - that has largely been the case since Charles II’s reign. In terms of the democratic process, you elect your local MP. The party of the greatest number of MPs gets to form a government, or may do so if it lacks a clear majority. The leader of that party will be the prime minister.
The upper house (the Lords) scrutinises legislation proposed by the commons - lest we forget the Lords is comprised of noted lefties such as shami chakrabati appointed after publishing a whitewash on anti Semitism in the Labour Party! I probably agree with you here that it should be reformed or abolished!
The key point is that UK parliament, composed of elected MPs, originates U.K. legislation. It is the ultimate legislature, and is elected by the people.
The EU parliament, by contrast, is a different kettle of fish entirely. EU legislation is originated by the commission (whose members are appointed, not elected) and voted on by the European Parliament. I believe they have a power to reject it but that’s rarely if ever used - and a slightly amended version of the same legislation could be duly tabled by the commission immediately afterwards so their veto is essentially useless!
The rest of your post seems like a bit of an irrational rant. You may think I’m stupid for wanting to claim back sovereignty. That’s fine, I’ve been called far worse in my time - but I’d like to hear a coherent argument as to why I’m stupid.
As for the stuff about Boris Johnson/Nigel F. It’s not about the personalities for me, it’s about the issues!
Didn't the Supreme Court say that we never lost sovereignty and then when they said that there would have to be a Parliamentary vote before talks could begin people moaned, seemingly wanting to over rule sovereignty? They (The Supreme Court) got accused of being traitors for wanting to uphold sovereignty.
Perhaps something to take from this is that few people seem to know what sovereignty means and should perhaps google it first before asking for it back.
Perhaps something to take from this is that few people seem to know what sovereignty means and should perhaps google it first before asking for it back.
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The green revolution in the sixties changed everything in that sphere.
With sufficient investment in large scale heated greenhouses, and sufficient nuclear plant to heat them, substantial inroads in imports of tropical produce could be achieved.
But bits of the country would probably start to look like Almeria - would improve resilience to extreme weather in that regard
EM2
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You assert that Parliament is sovereign (correct), but then suggest that you want to claim sovereignty back?
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That's the just of it, taking away our rights and freedoms (and those rights of workers) to keep what they already had. One day the population will wake up to realise - when workers lose paid holidays, maternity rights etc etc and the Tory Top Brass enjoy revelling in a low-tax Kingdom - they've been well and truly had.
See the people of Grimsby (leave town) have woken up to the fact their fishing and fish import/export industry's up the spout and want concessions to the effect of being in the EU. Too late...
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Sorry for being a bit late on this one - if we are forced through *no deal* into having to apply for visas to visit the EU + Schengen zone (ETIAD scheme that's coming in) there is a restriction on the number of days you can stay in the EU as a tourist. For most folks that's not a problem, but for those who own or rent second-homes, or more specifically retirees who rent property overseas for 9 months so they can come and go as they please will suffer from this time restriction, even if it's 120 days (might be as low as 90).
That means there will be a squeeze on the rental market over there (I follow this on Ibiza where I hoped to long-term rent when fully retired for the reason above) noting that many properties would be rented by Brits at times of the year they would otherwise be empty (spring/autumn).
Like Brexit, I don't think that ETIAD scheme has been fully though through and on top of the drop of visitors here (why fill in forms an be profiled when you can stay in the EU and go somewhere else?) there could ba an impact over there - especially France/Spain/Portugal if we are restricted.
This whole flaming Brexit thing is a complete and utter expensive nonsense and it's time the population woke up...grrrr.
Indeed.....Brexit is forever. I cant help but feel that if Nissan decide to up sticks from the North East, there are going to be a lot of leavers wondering what on earth they have got this country into
nlogax
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True, but they would never admit it.
But who are the commission appointed by? Because if you say "the governments of the 28 member states", then that implies you consider 'it undemocratic for a democratically elected government to use its representatives to originate legislation in the EU'.
Does anyone actually think our parliamentary system is the pinnacle of a democratic set up? If not, then why are so many people convinced that a different set up automatically means it's worse than ours?
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I must have missed the Govt. categorically stating that paid leave and maternity rights are to be abolished can you show me the relative quote.
No they didnt.......there was a significant Select Commons Committee Enquiry on this some time ago.....and in a nutshell in plain english, EU laws and Regs which we have acquired under EU law are likely to have the vast majority of them enshrined in UK law.....maternity rights was one mentioned as it happens.
Apologies mate, just made a clown of myself and replied to the wrong person. I'll get me coat. Ha ha.
ok no problem
EM2
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Which means that they can be repealed if the Government wishes.
I'm sure the intention is to keep them, but the road to hell is paved with good ones of them...
EM2
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You're saying that an EU member state can unilaterally repeal an EU regulation?
The point of law at issue was rather more narrow than 'sovereignty'. It was to do with the municipal effects of international treaties and whether the executive's treaty-making power was available and sufficient to enable Article 50 TEU to be engaged (cf. article 50(1) in particular).
The sovereignty stuff was mostly wibble.
As it happens, I believe that the Supreme Court's decision was wrong as a matter of law, but we are where we are.
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