Derailment at Wimbledon 6/11/17

[Oliver]

Rear axle of 2L10 derailed just off the mainline. Guard is the one injured. Poor sod thoughts go out to him.

300 pax had to be evacuated.

Were there really 300 on the train? It sound like a lot for pre-6 a.m.

 

[RichardN]

Unless there is a bogie or wheel fault, the it looks like the train either derailed as passed over 738 points or the following fixed diamond, I’m personally going with the fixed diamond.

I think if there was any suggestion it was the points, they'd have taken a lot longer before releasing the up slow (SWML) back into service.

 

[Deepgreen]

Rear axle of 2L10 derailed just off the mainline. Guard is the one injured. Poor sod thoughts go out to him.

300 pax had to be evacuated.

What irony - in terms of injury statistics ONLY, not having a guard (the only reported injured person) here would have made the railway seem safer. This obviously ignores all the actions the guard may have undertaken to protect passengers , etc.

 

[Taunton]

Were there really 300 on the train? It sound like a lot for pre-6 a.m.

That's the 21st century London peak.

 

[Sunset route]

I think if there was any suggestion it was the points, they'd have taken a lot longer before releasing the up slow (SWML) back into service.

That’s why I said I’m betting on the fixed diamond

 

[bb21]

Did the derailment happen on LU or NR infrastructure?

LUL infrastructure.

Were there really 300 on the train? It sound like a lot for pre-6 a.m.

250-300 passengers reported.

 

[Deepgreen]

It's a 450 on the crossover from East Putney just outside Wimbledon. Lots of fire trucks, ambulances and emergency response units in the Waitrose by the track. First unit well off the rails almost over to parallel track, beached on the gravel.

Looked like they were preparing a passenger evacuation.

First unit and all but one bogie of last unit are all still on the rails - from where did you glean your claim of the whole of the first unit having derailed?

 

[randompixel]

First unit and all but one bogie of last unit are all still on the rails - from where did you glean your claim of the whole of the first unit having derailed?

That's what it looked like whilst trundling past this morning. By first unit I did mean the front of the first carriage as in one set of bogies. ie: the front of the train was off the rails by what looked like more distance than the 456 derailment earlier in the year.

 

[pitdiver]

I would expect that LUL's Emergency Response Unit would have attended as they normally do when there are incidents like this in London. They have the skill and expertise

 

[RichardN]

I would expect that LUL's Emergency Response Unit would have attended as they normally do when there are incidents like this in London. They have the skill and expertise

There was a "fire engine" type vehicle adorned with roundels there.

 

[MontyP]

LUL infrastructure.


250-300 passengers reported.

I thought the line between Wimbledon and East Putney was NR which is why scheduled SWR services travel that way a handful of times per day?

 

[edwin_m]

It was somebody's bright idea at privatisation to hand it over to LUL as the District Line provides the stopping service. I suspect that created a whole bunch of bureaucracy and extra costs, given that NR still controls the route from Wimbledon signalling centre and any main line stock that needs to use it must make a whole separate application to LUL for approval to operate.

 

[Mojo]

It was somebody's bright idea at privatisation to hand it over to LUL as the District Line provides the stopping service. I suspect that created a whole bunch of bureaucracy and extra costs, given that NR still controls the route from Wimbledon signalling centre and any main line stock that needs to use it must make a whole separate application to LUL for approval to operate.

I have heard anaecdotally that once the line was “sold” to LT and their civil engineers had a look at it it was discovered that millions were required to repair some quite serious infrastructure faults.

 

[matt_world2004]

There was a "fire engine" type vehicle adorned with roundels there.

Do they usually deal with emergencies on the national rail network? Or only tfl services?

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Do they usually deal with emergencies on the national rail network? Or only tfl services?

That may well have been the LU Emergency Response Units - superb bunch , they are occasionally tasked to assist on issues with the National Network.

 

[Dstock7080]

These were sent to me by a friend/colleague. Sounds possible the points moved under the unit. There was engineering works there the other day too I believe.

Thankfully no train was standing at signal W375, or this could've been slightly worse.

 

[Deepgreen]

I have heard anaecdotally that once the line was “sold” to LT and their civil engineers had a look at it it was discovered that millions were required to repair some quite serious infrastructure faults.

This is partially true - there were certainly a number of outstanding issues - embankments in need of stabilisation, etc., and of course, the stations all acquired the full LU identity "livery" and equipment.

 

[Mojo]

Do they usually deal with emergencies on the national rail network? Or only tfl services?

They regularly attend to issues on Network Rail lines thanks to their expertise; recent high-profile instances in which they appeared in the background of TV shows include the derailment of HST Power Car at Paddington and when the person fell under the wheels of an East Coast train departing Kings +. They were also called upon for the Tram derailment in Croydon.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

They regularly attend to issues on Network Rail lines thanks to their expertise; recent high-profile instances in which they appeared in the background of TV shows include the derailment of HST Power Car at Paddington and when the person fell under the wheels of an East Coast train departing Kings +. They were also called upon for the Tram derailment in Croydon.

I can only reiterate their superb skills - way back in another life , they were called into help out at the Watford crash in 1996 , apart from assisting the rerailing - they did great work on track restoration , working well with the "main line" resources , one of the side benefits was that they scrambled an "LT" catering squad , who ensured all workers got nourishing hot meals at frequent intervals , more or less 24/7.

 

[theageofthetra]

These were sent to me by a friend/colleague. Sounds possible the points moved under the unit. There was engineering works there the other day too I believe.

Christ not another one.

 

[theageofthetra]

The BBC article shows “South West Railways” in the headline and the correct “South Western Railway” in the body, so even their own confusion is inconsistent.

Not the end of the world, but very irritating. Failing to get basic information right, which is after all available from a 30 second Google search, smacks of laziness.

More importantly, my thoughts go out to the injured guard whose clearly having a very bad day indeed.

Welcome to the world of tin pot degree & employed for reasons other than ability of the BBC.

 

[Taunton]

It was somebody's bright idea at privatisation to hand it over to LUL as the District Line provides the stopping service. I suspect that created a whole bunch of bureaucracy and extra costs, given that NR still controls the route from Wimbledon signalling centre and any main line stock that needs to use it must make a whole separate application to LUL for approval to operate.

However, when BR ran it the booking offices were quite non-integrated with LU, despite them providing the only service, they did not do LU tickets, and I was surprised at Southfields to get a BR hand-written paper ticket for a straightforward LU journey. The offices were also the first target for any staff shortages, as little of the fare money was going back to BR. There seemed no mechanisation.

LU had of course run 99.9% of the trains along the stretch for decades.

 

[pitdiver]

As has been mentioned the LUL ERU sometimes come with caterers. I once had reason to call the ERU. At 0200 hrs a Bacon Roll and a hot sausage roll + a hot cup of tea goes down very well.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

As has been mentioned the LUL ERU sometimes come with caterers. I once had reason to call the ERU. At 0200 hrs a Bacon Roll and a hot sausage roll + a hot cup of tea goes down very well.

Indeed it does - several long retired BR managers said that feeding the recovery gangs was paramount + train crews working brilliantly and off diagram - the steak pie and baked beans offer , with loads of toast and tea / coffee went down so well....at 5am !

 

[bb21]

They regularly attend to issues on Network Rail lines thanks to their expertise; recent high-profile instances in which they appeared in the background of TV shows include the derailment of HST Power Car at Paddington and when the person fell under the wheels of an East Coast train departing Kings +. They were also called upon for the Tram derailment in Croydon.

Most recent one was actually the Waterloo derailment in August, believe it or not.

 

[pitdiver]

There was a "fire engine" type vehicle adorned with roundels there.

That in fact is a specially designed vehicle which is driven by a BTP officer under Blues and Twos. Normally if the job is a critical emergency they would get a police escort but NOT with Blues and Twos. If you Google LUL ERU images you will see it.

 

[jopsuk]

That in fact is a specially designed vehicle which is driven by a BTP officer under Blues and Twos. Normally if the job is a critical emergency they would get a police escort but NOT with Blues and Twos. If you Google LUL ERU images you will see it.

How many are there? I see at least five registrations in pictures, two older (57 and 07 being 2007 registered vehicles) and these three newer with 66 (2016) registrations, with some bearing the word "Emergency" across the front and others "POLICE"- but all have LU markings as well

 

[pitdiver]

How many are there? I see at least five registrations in pictures, two older (57 and 07 being 2007 registered vehicles) and these three newer with 66 (2016) registrations, with some bearing the word "Emergency" across the front and others "POLICE"- but all have LU markings as well

To be honest I am not sure I have only ever seen one.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Unless there is a bogie or wheel fault, the it looks like the train either derailed as passed over 738 points or the following fixed diamond, I’m personally going with the fixed diamond.

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What program or website is that signalling diagram of the affected area from?

 

[Mojo]

The ERU have four bases around London; Camden, Battersea, Stratford and Acton.