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Should kids talk to teachers like this?
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Miss lauren92
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If they have a medical problem I let them go
trainmania100
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If a year six swore at me - instant detention (if school can do that)
10 and 11 year olds should not be speaking like that, but I fear this is the way the world is going right now.
10 and 11 year olds should not be speaking like that, but I fear this is the way the world is going right now.
TT-ONR-NRN
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The teachers need to discipline disrespectful students more. The fact that when my head of year was violently swore at (F off!) by an aggressive, out of control chav girl she responded with “Dont speak to me like that please,” is probably the reason that person continues their disgusting attitude. End of. Nip it in the bud.
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My primary school days were quite a few years ago now! However, I actually agree with the most part of what you have said in regards to being allowed to go out to the toilet during lesson. In my primary school, some teachers were very strict about this sort of thing and I think with good reason too- the problem is that children think that lunch time is for playing football and then as soon as lunch finishes, they expect to be allowed to use the toilet. Also, a lot of students would use this time to miss time out of lessons even though there was a 'one at a time policy'- either people were happy to be on their own or they timed it in such a way that a friend from a different class would go to the 'toilet' at the same time.
Of course if a medical condition or illness was involved, the teacher wouldn't say anything. However, I think discretion was used by some teachers as they figured out which students kept on doing it and/or used to mess about and which students genuinely needed the toilet. For myself, I think across my entire time at primary/secondary/sixth form, I only ever asked to use the toilet a handful number of times if that. I don't ever remember being rejected but then again I think I had a good working relationship with my teachers so they trusted me.
I know sometimes there are schools which have a rule from the top that students cannot use the toilet during lesson time (obviously apart from medical issues) but for other schools, it is down to the discretion of the teacher. This goes for many things and not just being able to use the toilet. For example, in secondary school, if someone came after the bell (signifying start of lesson or form time), then most teachers would still mark you in as on time as long as it was only a few minutes afterwards; a few other teachers, however, even if you came in one second after the bell then you would be marked in as late.
Of course if a medical condition or illness was involved, the teacher wouldn't say anything. However, I think discretion was used by some teachers as they figured out which students kept on doing it and/or used to mess about and which students genuinely needed the toilet. For myself, I think across my entire time at primary/secondary/sixth form, I only ever asked to use the toilet a handful number of times if that. I don't ever remember being rejected but then again I think I had a good working relationship with my teachers so they trusted me.
I know sometimes there are schools which have a rule from the top that students cannot use the toilet during lesson time (obviously apart from medical issues) but for other schools, it is down to the discretion of the teacher. This goes for many things and not just being able to use the toilet. For example, in secondary school, if someone came after the bell (signifying start of lesson or form time), then most teachers would still mark you in as on time as long as it was only a few minutes afterwards; a few other teachers, however, even if you came in one second after the bell then you would be marked in as late.
Miss lauren92
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I agree they waste their playtime and then need a wee which is not my fault.
Read post 93 that is a pure example.
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I can't ever remember asking to use the toilet during lessons when I was at school and I also can't remember anyone else asking.
Miss lauren92
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No exactly you go at break or hold it just like I do, and I expect the children to do the same.
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And you are qualified to diagnose a medical condition how exactly?
Miss lauren92
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But if they have a medical problem they would be allowed to go, it's a couple of hours between breaks, not hard for a 10 year old to hold a wee for 2 hours max.
Miss lauren92
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They have a note from parents or doctor if they do have a medical reason.
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TT-ONR-NRN
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Oh my goodness no!
Detentions, being sent to the BBC (isolation centre), maybe even suspension if it persists.
Surely that isn’t too harsh for telling a head to #%+% off!
Anyway I’ve just found out you were talking about primary school, I was talking about GCSE secondary school years!
Miss lauren92
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Year 6 which makes it worse using language like on the rag.
Are you thinking of changing career?
Kids aren't going to change, so it sounds like a case of putting up with it or getting out.
TT-ONR-NRN
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You shouldn’t tolerate it. It’s not fair, way back in Year 8 there was this one teacher that everyone used to tag horribly and gang up on and it used to make me feel so angry. Then again - I’m a bit of a teachers pet; but it really isn’t fair the way kids treat teachers.
TT-ONR-NRN
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I think that is a very unfair thing to say....
If a teacher is so frustrated with student behaviour that they feel the need to post about it on a railway forum, I'd say it's a fair question to ask.
Miss lauren92
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No as I do enjoy teaching even if some kids do come out with vulgar remarks.
Real life isn't fair.
There have been occasional TV programmes comparing British schools and teaching methods to those in East Asia. One thing that is immediately apparent is the total respect that kids have for their teachers in the East Asian schools shown. But when British teachers are asked to compare the two scenarios they usually still prefer the British situation.
And you shouldn't have to tolerate such verbal abuse but often the first form of authority kids encounter nowadays is a police officer and by then it's often too late, the damage has been done.
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Do people think because it was a girl on her period that is ok for her to say I'm on my rag to a teacher?
I bet if it was a boy who said to me I need a piss there would be outcries.
I bet if it was a boy who said to me I need a piss there would be outcries.
I haven't heard anyone here suggest it was okay.
OneOffDave
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Very poor debate skills as the two situations aren't even remotely comparable. Menstruation is a process over which the girl has no control as opposed to an optional sexual act which quite rightly would cause an outcry
It's not the politest term but it's not actually abusive or offensive language
Why do you keep regurgitating this garbage? Countless times now people have said that it isn't acceptable, at all.
Or is the hope that by repeating it over and over again then someone will actually say it's okay, then everyone can jump on the outrage bus? Then we can keep this pointless thread ticking over?
Miss lauren92
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Exactly S or even P
OneOffDave
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Blimey, I wasn't thinking the **** meant that...I thought the word began with a S.
Apologies, a misunderstanding based on the kids my other half's daughter has to work with! In that case the specific language is offensive. Whilst is is possible for children to be bladder and bowel continent, it's my understanding that there's not a sphincter that humans have voluntary control over regarding the products of menstruation
Well, from my indirect experience as a partner and parent, those 2am dashes to the toilet suggest little control whatsoever!
Having said that and despite going along with the thread from the start, i'm inclined to doubt a phrase such as 'on the rag' was used anyway, the thread now seems more of a wind up than it ever was. We have an apparent teacher now making comments such as not being bothered if young children wet themselves. Maybe I just like to be an optimist, but i'd really hope that no teacher was ever like that. I maybe get the intolerance that can come with teaching in secondary school with teenagers, but we are talking about children in junior school here.
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