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I teach year 6 and this week I have been swore at, had children refuse to do something after instructing them to and a girl scream that she "was on her rag" when I wouldn't let her go to the toilet.

I teach year 6 and do not let children go to the toilet in lesson time. Would it bother you if it was child?
 
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Miss lauren92 said:
I teach year 6 and this week I have been swore at, had children refuse to do something after instructing them to and a girl scream that she "was on her rag" when I wouldn't let her go to the toilet.
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Well of course not.

I completely disagree with this whole not allowing them use the toilet though. Last year, after one of the thoroughly nutritious (sarcastic) school lunches my soon developed a really bad stomach early on in the next lesson and requested to go to the toilet. This was refused and he consequently crapped himself.

If it happens again i'll seriously consider putting the remnants through the teacher's letterbox.
 
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Darandio said:
Well of course not.

I completely disagree with this whole not allowing them use the toilet though. Last year, after one of the thoroughly nutritious (sarcastic) school lunches my soon developed a really bad stomach early on in the next lesson and requested to go to the toilet. This was refused and he consequently crapped himself.

If it happens again i'll seriously consider putting the remnants through the teacher's letterbox.
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I don't let them go in lesson time. Did your son is explain he was ill? I would have made an exception. I would have made an exception with the girl too had she not been so vulgar.
 
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Not being allowed to go in lesson time is such a bizzare concept, if you need to go you need to go.

Even as a train driver it’s not unknown to nip back into the saloon at a stop if you’re caught short.
 
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Miss lauren92 said:
Why? They get plenty of breaks and should be able to hold their wee for a lesson or two.
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Generally speaking, yes humans are capable of postponing the need to micturate for a while. But their level of concentration while so doing will be variable at best.
 
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I think this thread/account could be a wind up... It's a strange way to start posting on a railway forum!
 
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Odd that a teacher doesn't know the difference between been swore at and have been sworn at. Falling standards and government cuts I guess.............
 
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Miss lauren92 said:
I don't let them go in lesson time. Did your son is explain he was ill? I would have made an exception. I would have made an exception with the girl too had she not been so vulgar.
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I think it's a sensible approach to not allow them to go in lesson times provided an exception is made if someone is unwell.
 
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Not letting a child go the toilet during lesson isn't something I'd do personally. Should've gone a break time? Maybe they didn't need it at break time. You can't command your bladder and bowels to be ready, when you've got to go, you've got to go. Yes you can hold it in, but not only can this impede concentration, but health problems could potentially arise. I get that some children would use it to get out of lesson, but if the consequences of it not being the case is someone potentially soiling themselves, I wouldn't chance it. You still get paid at the end of the week, and it's the child who loses out if they're trying to avoid lessons.

Now as for being sworn at, even despite me not agreeing with your methods of not letting people go to the toilet, I still find it incredibly disrespectful. It's not easy being a teacher, but children unfortunately don't understand that in general. Year 6 isn't a good time either considering that they're getting to that age where most of them will be teenagers in about a year or so, and as such can be very volatile.

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I think it's a sensible approach to not allow them to go in lesson times provided an exception is made if someone is unwell.
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It's all well and good on your part to make an exception, but what's a child doing in school if they're unwell? Some strict parents out there, eh?
 
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Up_Tilt_390 said:
Not letting a child go the toilet during lesson isn't something I'd do personally. Should've gone a break time? Maybe they didn't need it at break time. You can't command your bladder and bowels to be ready, when you've got to go, you've got to go. Yes you can hold it in, but not only can this impede concentration, but health problems could potentially arise. I get that some children would use it to get out of lesson, but if the consequences of it not being the case is someone potentially soiling themselves, I wouldn't chance it. You still get paid at the end of the week, and it's the child who loses out if they're trying to avoid lessons.

Now as for being sworn at, even despite me not agreeing with your methods of not letting people go to the toilet, I still find it incredibly disrespectful. It's not easy being a teacher, but children unfortunately don't understand that in general. Year 6 isn't a good time either considering that they're getting to that age where most of them will be teenagers in about a year or so, and as such can be very volatile.



It's all well and good on your part to make an exception, but what's a child doing in school if they're unwell? Some strict parents out there, eh?
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Regardless of whether I don't let children go toilet or not, is a girl saying I'm on my rag really acceptable?
 
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Paul Sidorczuk said:
Was this said by a Year 6 girl?
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Yes when I said she couldn't go to the toilet.

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Ah so punishing someone by depriving them of a basic human need. Yes perfectly acceptable!
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If she had said but Miss it is a girls problem I would have let her go as a one off. I am a lady and have to wait too as I cannot leave the class unsupervised.

A boy told me to f*** off for asking him to write the date and title.
 
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Out of interest, what part of the country is this in, roughly (just a county/city will do!)? Are you a newly qualified teacher?

I have experience of working with students of approximately that age (i.e. 11 I presume) in North Yorkshire, and I've never heard that phrase. I had to look it up!

You may want to read this thread: Were toilet breaks during lessons allowed at your school

The best thing to do is comply with your employer's policy; I would also seek clarification about what the policy is if you think someone has an exceptional reason. Someone I know who is a teacher said his policy was to allow students to go providing they agreed to stay back at the end of the lesson to catch up any work. This had the effect of reducing the number of requests drastically. It doesn't work if the students immediately have to go to a different lesson in another classroom at the end of the lesson, but works well just before break/lunch/after school.

And if they use inappropriate language and/or are rude, you can issue whatever sanction you deem fit, in line with the school's policy.

I would expect most schools to have a toilet pass system for any student who has a particular need and I would anticipate this would likely be arranged by their Year Leader.

I would recommend speaking with a colleague at the same school if possible, or alternatively discuss it with a friend who also works in a school.
 
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yorkie said:
Out of interest, what part of the country is this in, roughly (just a county/city will do!)?

I have experience of working with students of approximately that age (i.e. 11 I presume) in North Yorkshire, and I've never heard that phrase. I had to look it up!

You may want to read this thread: Were toilet breaks during lessons allowed at your school

The best thing to do is comply with your employer's policy; I would also seek clarification about what the policy is if you think someone has an exceptional reason. Someone I know who is a teacher said his policy was to allow students to go providing they agreed to stay back at the end of the lesson to catch up any work. This had the effect of reducing the number of requests drastically. It doesn't work if the students immediately have to go to a different lesson in another classroom at the end of the lesson, but works well just before break/lunch/after school.

And if they use inappropriate language and/or are rude, you can issue whatever sanction you deem fit, in line with the school's policy.

I would expect most schools to have a toilet pass system for any student who has a particular need and I would anticipate this would likely be arranged by their Year Leader.

I would recommend speaking with a colleague at the same school if possible, or alternatively discuss it with a friend who also works in a school.
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Nottingham, the policy is no toilet during lessons unless they have a medical reason.
 
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Up_Tilt_390 said:
It's all well and good on your part to make an exception, but what's a child doing in school if they're unwell? Some strict parents out there, eh?
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I take it you didn't read the first reply to the OP? I'm guessing it's my fault as a parent that he became unwell after the school dinner?
 
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Darandio said:
I take it you didn't read the first reply to the OP? I'm guessing it's my fault as a parent that he became unwell after the school dinner?
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I stand corrected on that front. It's not entirely unknown for parents to send in sick children though as I'm sure you're aware. Not saying you are one of course.
 
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Up_Tilt_390 said:
I stand corrected on that front. It's not entirely unknown for parents to send in sick children though as I'm sure you're aware. Not saying you are one of course.
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Very aware of it! :D It seems that there is much more of a 'leave the issue to someone else' attitude.
 
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What guide rules to teaching staff does your school use when such a stated matter that you describe above occurs?
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He was sent to the HT and parents informed.
With regards to the toilet the girl was explained how she should express such circumstances and sent back to her seat.

I also had a boy threaten to piss in my bin when I said no once.
 
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