London Travelcard Question

[323235]

Ive got a Few London Travelcard Questions which I am trying to get the answers to

1.Is a Zone 1-9+ Watford Junction one day travelcard valid on None DC and None LU services between Watford junction and Harrow and Weldstone/London Euston and Chiltern Railways services between Harrow on the Hill and Amersham?

3. Can you get a Railcard Discount on a 1-9,1-9 + Watford Junction,2-6 and 2-9?

4.Anyone got the Aventix Code for a 1-9 + Watford Junction TC?

Help is Greatly Received =

Thanks Homies XD =P

 

[glynn80]

Ive got a Few London Travelcard Questions which I am trying to get the answers to

1.Is a Zone 1-9+ Watford Junction one day travelcard valid on London Midland and Virgin Trains services between watford junction and Harrow and Weldstone/London Euston plus Chiltern Railways services between Harrow on the Hill and Amersham

3. Can you get a Railcard Discount on a 1-9,1-9 + Watford Junction,2-6 and 2-9

4.what the aventix code is for a 1-9 + Watford Junction?

Help is Greatly Appreciated

Thanks Homies XD =P

1. If the Travelcard you mean is a Zone 1-9 Watford Junction Travelcard (i.e. one that includes travel from Watford Junction to the Zone 9 boundary and then a Travelcard Zones 1-9), this ticket is valid only on London Midland services- the fast, semi-fast and stopping services. The Virgin services are not valid as all their Watford Junction stops are pick-up only out of London and set down only into London.

It is also valid on the Chiltern Railways services to Amersham and is valid from both Marylebone and Harrow on the Hill.

2. Not sure where this question has gone

3. Yes a Railcard discount can be obtained on all the tickets you ask subject to the £5.00 minimum fare (this applies at all times). The Railcard discount however is only valid on Off-Peak Day Travelcards and thus is not valid for discounted travel before 0930 Monday-Friday. No Anytime Day Travelcards are eligible for the Railcard discount.

Bear in mind if a Railcard has a higher minimum fare, this will apply instead. E.g. the Network Railcard has a £10.00 minimum fare Mondays to Fridays, this means only Travelcards over £10.00 will be eligible to use the Network Railcard discount.

4. If you put Watford Junction in the origin station box and then the 1-6 Travelcard in the destination box- this is the fare for the 1-9 Travelcard. The route is AAA ZONES R789, designating it valid in Zones 7,8 and 9. The code for Watford Junction is 1402 and the Zones 1-6 Travelcard is 0035

 

[323235]

1. If the Travelcard you mean is a Zone 1-9 Watford Junction Travelcard (i.e. one that includes travel from Watford Junction to the Zone 9 boundary and then a Travelcard Zones 1-9), this ticket is valid only on London Midland services- the fast, semi-fast and stopping services. The Virgin services are not valid as all their Watford Junction stops are pick-up only out of London and set down only into London.

It is also valid on the Chiltern Railways services to Amersham and is valid from both Marylebone and Harrow on the Hill.

2. Not sure where this question has gone

HAHA

3. Yes a Railcard discount can be obtained on all the tickets you ask subject to the £5.00 minimum fare (this applies at all times). The Railcard discount however is only valid on Off-Peak Day Travelcards and thus is not valid for discounted travel before 0930 Monday-Friday. No Anytime Day Travelcards are eligible for the Railcard discount.

4. If you put Watford Junction in the origin station box and then the 1-6 Travelcard in the destination box- this is the fare for the 1-9 Travelcard. The route is AAA ZONES R789, designating it valid in Zones 7,8 and 9. The code for Watford Junction is 1402 and the Zones 1-6 Travelcard is 0035

Nice one Glynn Meister =D

 

[clagmonster]

1) The zones 1-9 + Watford Junction travelcard is valid on all BR London-Amersham-Watford Jn. Note that , as Glynn says, some trains, including all Virgin services, are pick up only northbound/set down only southbound at Watford Jn.
3) On the off peak travelcards, the railcard rate for zones 1-9 + Watford Jn is £8.90. For zones 2-6 it is £5, the same as zones 1-6. For zones 1-9 and 2-9 a railcard discount is available, but the price is not published anywhere. I think that BR ticket offices are unable to sell these, therefore you have to use a LUL ticket office.
4) As Glynn says.

One suplementary question from me. As Watford Jn is effectively a travelcard zone all of its own, is a Watford Jn-Zone R1256 valid for travel from central London to Watford Jn, and back in from Watford Jn, or would you have to purchase the zones 1-9 + Watford Jn ticket from a LUL booking office? Also, is there any reason why travelcards for the non-GLC zones aren't issued by BR booking offices (except, presumably for those actually in those zones)?

 

[glynn80]

3) On the off peak travelcards, the railcard rate for zones 1-9 + Watford Jn is £8.90. For zones 2-6 it is £5, the same as zones 1-6. For zones 1-9 and 2-9 a railcard discount is available, but the price is not published anywhere. I think that BR ticket offices are unable to sell these, therefore you have to use a LUL ticket office.

The Zones 1-9 Travelcard is available from BR Ticket Offices.

It is issued from an "Origin Station" like for example a Watford Junction Travelcard. The list of origin stations are Amersham, Chesham, Chalfont & Latimer, Chorleywood, Croxley, Rickmansworth, Watford Met. These are the only London Underground stations that can be used as 'Origin' stations when issuing Travelcards.

Obviously stations on the branch from Harrow & Wealdstone to Watford High Street can still purchase Travelcards into London as they have always been able to.

The routeing of all the above will be AAA ZONES R789 designating they are valid for travel in Zones 1-6 plus Zones 7,8 and 9.

The only Anytime Day Travelcard prices for Zones 1-9 (ineligible for Railcard discounts) are £16.20 Adult, £8·10 Child.

The undiscounted prices for an Off Peak Day Travelcard Zones 1-9 are £9.00 Adult, £2.60 Child. The 16-25 Railcard price is £5.95.

Zones 2-9 Travelcards are also issued by BR ticket offices.

The Anytime Day Travelcard prices for Zones 2-9 are £10.60 Adult, £5.30 Child

The undiscounted prices for an Off Peak Day Travelcard Zones 2-9 are £5.60 Adult, £2.40 Child. The Zones 2-9 Travelcard is INELIGIBLE for Railcard discount, contrary to what I have posted above, stating it is infact valid for all the Travelcards the OP listed. The Railcard discount is only valid for All Zones travelcards (of which Zones 1-9 is also included).

One suplementary question from me. As Watford Jn is effectively a travelcard zone all of its own, is a Watford Jn-Zone R1256 valid for travel from central London to Watford Jn, and back in from Watford Jn, or would you have to purchase the zones 1-9 + Watford Jn ticket from a LUL booking office?

If you wish to travel from Central London to Watford Junction and then back in from Watford Junction, you will need to purchase a Zones 1-6 Travelcard (either BR/LUL station) and then a Boundary Zone 6 extension to Watford Junction (which will be routed AAA ZONES R789)

Boundary Zone 9 extensions do not seem to exist and it isn't clear what occurs with someone already with a Zones 1-9 LUL Travelcard, who then wishes to extend their ticket to Watford Junction, for example.

Also, is there any reason why travelcards for the non-GLC zones aren't issued by BR booking offices (except, presumably for those actually in those zones)?

They are issued, see above.

 

[clagmonster]

LT advertise a zones 1-9 + Watford Jn travelcard, see http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/oneand3daytickets/2911.aspx
These are priced, unsuprisingly at the same prices as the Watford Jn-zone r1256 zones, route aaa zones r789*. This is why I asked about using the ticket in the reverse order. I assume in this case that the BR and LUL products are not quite the same in validity then? For example, if I were to travel on from Baker St to Watford (Met), then Watford Jn-Euston (I actually have done similar to this before), I would need the LUL product, and the BR product would be invalid. I think when I did it before, I bought a zones 1-D travelcard (this was a couple of years back), then a boundary zone 6-Watford Jn day return.
If the Watford Jn/Ammersham etc travelcard does behave just like an out of zones travelcard, as I have assumed above, it does seem strange that the routing has been changes to zones r789 rather than being kept as any permitted.

 

[t0ffeeman]

When this first came out I was at Watford Met who described Watford Junction as Zone W.... Don't know if this is the official name.

Of course the TFL 258 bus can take you from Wat High St to Jt. So you just need Zone 9 from Wat High St; Zone 5 from Harrow & W; Harrow on hill or S Harrow.....

 

[323235]

so to summerise

where can you buy a Zones 1-9 and Zones 1-9 + Watford Junction Travelcard from?

 

[Daniel]

so to summerise

where can you buy a Zones 1-9 and Zones 1-9 + Watford Junction Travelcard from?

Day travelcards, Zones 1-9 and 1-9+W, both available from all LU ticket offices..

 

[323235]

Day travelcards, Zones 1-9 and 1-9+W, both available from all LU ticket offices..

To Clear things up once and for all

Can you buy all travelcards (including the ones above) from any National Rail Ticket Offices e.g. London Euston with a Railcard?

Can you get a Railcard Discount on Travelcards (including the ones mentioned in the two previous posts) when purchasing them from LU Ticket offices?

apologies if this is going back over anything previously mentioned =P
Just want to get it all straight
so I know Where to buy/What to buy and what everything covers
for when I go London Bashing in a couple of Months XD

 

[clagmonster]

Yes you can buy travelcards for zones 1-6 from BR ticket offices, for the non-GLC zones I am not entirely sure from the discussion above. It would seem strange not to, as for example is you were at Streatham and wanted a day return to Watford High St, the normal advice would be to issue a travelcard. Instead, the cheap day return route any permitted is priced at £11.60, which is more than the equivalent travelcard.
For the second point, yes you can get a railcard discount on travelcards purchased at LUL booking offices.

 

[323235]

So at the moment the following has been posted:

*All Travelcard upto 1-9+W can be purchased from any LU Ticket office (With Railcard Discount)
*Travelcards upto Zones 1-6 can be purchased from any NR Booking Office (NOW CONFIRMED AS UPTO 1-9+W)

*Anything above 1-6 can only be purchased from a NR Booking Hall when you are
a)at the Zone 6 Boundary or b)in Zones 7,8,9 (Deleted as per Point 2 Update)

*A Zone 1-9+W can only be purchased at Watford Junction (or LU as per above) (CAN BE PURCHASED AT ANY LU or NR Ticket Outlet)


Do you get unlimited travel in Zones 7,8,9 + Watford Junction as per 1-6?

 

[clagmonster]

Points 1 & 2 I definately agree with.
For points 3 & 4, there are travelcards in the system for any station in zones 7-9 and Watford Junction to zone R1256 zones, route AAA zones R789*. These can be bought from any BR booking office. However, the point I am unsure on is whether the route AAA zones R789* essentially makes it a travelcard covering those zones also. If you are starting at Watford or a zone 7-9 station, travelling into London, then anything in zones 1-6 and then back out to the station at which you started again these tickets are definately valid. Also, the tickets purchased from the LUL booking offices are definately valid as normal travelcards within the zones. If nobody knows of anything useful on this matter in the FRPP, I may e-mail ATOC about this.

 

[323235]

Points 1 & 2 I definately agree with.
For points 3 & 4, there are travelcards in the system for any station in zones 7-9 and Watford Junction to zone R1256 zones, route AAA zones R789*. These can be bought from any BR booking office. However, the point I am unsure on is whether the route AAA zones R789* essentially makes it a travelcard covering those zones also. If you are starting at Watford or a zone 7-9 station, travelling into London, then anything in zones 1-6 and then back out to the station at which you started again these tickets are definately valid. Also, the tickets purchased from the LUL booking offices are definately valid as normal travelcards within the zones. If nobody knows of anything useful on this matter in the FRPP, I may e-mail ATOC about this.

Anyone Care to help with this one?

 

[glynn80]

Points 1 & 2 I definately agree with.
For points 3 & 4, there are travelcards in the system for any station in zones 7-9 and Watford Junction to zone R1256 zones, route AAA zones R789*. These can be bought from any BR booking office. However, the point I am unsure on is whether the route AAA zones R789* essentially makes it a travelcard covering those zones also. If you are starting at Watford or a zone 7-9 station, travelling into London, then anything in zones 1-6 and then back out to the station at which you started again these tickets are definately valid. Also, the tickets purchased from the LUL booking offices are definately valid as normal travelcards within the zones. If nobody knows of anything useful on this matter in the FRPP, I may e-mail ATOC about this.

OK,

Travelcard Zones 1-6- Can be bought at NR Ticket Offices & LUL Ticket Offices, both of which can give Railcard discounts.

Travelcard Zones 1-9- Can be bought at NR Ticket Offices & LUL Ticket Offices, both of which can give Railcard discounts. The NR Ticket Office issuing the ticket will have to choose an out-boundary station to issue the Travelcard from e.g. Amersham

Travelcard Zones 1-9+ Watford Junction- Can be bought at LUL Ticket Offices who can give Railcard discounts. NR Ticket Offices can issue the ticket if you are starting your journey from Watford Junction by issuing a Watford Junction to Zones R1256- Route AAA Zones R789*.

In the opposite direction a Zones R1256 Travelcard will need to be issued and then an Boundary Zone 6 to Watford Junction ticket issued- this however is not a travelcard for the Zones 7, 8 and 9 only a return ticket from the Zone 6 Boundary to Watford Junction. The FRPP does not show any Boundary Fares from Zone 9, that could have been combined with a Zones 1-9 Travelcard.

Any ticket with route AAA Zones R789* is a Travelcard that includes travel within Zones 7-9.

So only LUL ticket offices can issue all the tickets above and can do so all on one ticket. NR booking offices can issue the majority but in the last case of someone beginning their journey in London and then venturing out to Watford Junction and then returning into the Travelcard Zones again- only the LUL ticket offices seem to be able to issue those tickets with ease.

The NR booking office issuing any of these ticket does not need to be within the Travelcard Zones to issue any of these tickets, they will however need to have a supply of Travelcard stock. All ticket offices are meant to keep this stock but because many ticket offices rarely issue these tickets, they may have let their supplies run out.

 

[clagmonster]

Thanks very much for that Glynn. In Avantix, the routing for the boundary zone tickets is 'any permited', rather than 'AAA Zones R789*', I assume this is just an error in Avantix?
Also, I didn't know about the requirement to use travelcard stock, indeed I didn't know that it still existed. I am routinely issued with travelcards printed on standard stock, both when purchasing from booking offices and online sales.

 

[glynn80]

Thanks very much for that Glynn. In Avantix, the routing for the boundary zone tickets is 'any permited', rather than 'AAA Zones R789*', I assume this is just an error in Avantix?
Also, I didn't know about the requirement to use travelcard stock, indeed I didn't know that it still existed. I am routinely issued with travelcards printed on standard stock, both when purchasing from booking offices and online sales.

On the FRPP the words are used are

"Issuing Travelcards - Travelcards can be issued at any Train Company station or office provided they are issued:-
...
· using the appropriate and approved Travelcard ticket stock"
....

But I am assuming that Standard stock is now an approved stock for Day Travelcard issuing purposes seeing as all new TISs can print the necessary information onto the Travelcards (e.g. the roundel and wording "Day Travelcard") directly onto the tickets.

So my comment only really relates to Travelcards issued for 7 day periods or longer.