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Guys in your opinion where is the best place to spot units in London, aside from the obvious Clapham Junction?

If you have a look at my posts on the 'Trains you've seen working' thread, you'll notice that I like to get as many units as I can!

I want to say maybe buy a Day Travelcard and just spot at Clapham Junction for a few hours?

Anywhere else that is a good one, with a nice clear view of units?
 
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Startford is quite good for the GEML but you might need a pair of binoculars for the Cambridge line if you go at the end of plat 9/10.
Also up electric services (p5) can be a bit tricky to see but of course if you're there long enough you'll get them coming out again.
Bethnal Green is ok if you want to include Lea Valley / Enfield / Cambridge main line services but obviously the GEML lines can be very busy and it's not uncommon to get 3 or even 4 trains passing at once.

Finsbury Park is good for the ECML, but it might be worth a ride out as far as Alexandra Palace as you'll go past Hornsey.
 
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My favourite spots in London (as I continue my quest) are:

Bethnal Green
Clapham Junction
Ealing Broadway
East Croydon
Hornsey
London Bridge (not so good in its current layout)
Stratford
West Hampstead Thameslink
 

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My favourite spots in London (as I continue my quest) are:

Bethnal Green
Clapham Junction Agreed
Ealing Broadway
East Croydon Agreed
Hornsey Agreed
London Bridge (not so good in its current layout)
Stratford Agreed
West Hampstead Thameslink


Kensington Olympia is also good as you get a bit of freight as well as the 378, 377s.

Watford Junction can have a fair bit going through 390, 350, 319 on the Abbey line, and freight.
 
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Depends what you wanna see of course. Somewhere like West Hampstead is good. Jubilee line platforms give you a good view of Chiltern Stuff and the two tube lines, Midland Mainline shows EMT and TL and LO shows London Overground and a fair bit of freight (might be worth checking out when it's due first). If you don't know it, it's three seperate station buildings all next to each other and very easy to switch between. It's not a visually spectacular location, but you'll see a wide variety of stuff. I don't spot so I don't know if the staff are welcoming etc.

If you haven't already, I'd check out the Northern City Line too. A small slice of Network South East left untouched. It's also fairly quiet off peak. It's interesting to see a mainline railway tucked away under Central London like it is. I'll always back East Croydon, reppin the home town, especially now it's been done up and you can go get some trendy food from Boxpark like the hipster fashionista you most probably are.
 

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I believe the OP likes wagamama and such like, so he'll like Boxpark. Croydon's gone worse in my eyes now it's getting posher. I'm not a posh lad so it doesn't bode well for me. God help them if they take my Burger King away! Or my Pumpkin for that matter!

Clapham Junction, Willesden Junction, Bethnal Green (but by christ get used to writing fast there!), Stratford, Ealing Broadway and Finsbury Park are all the classic spots. I don't include London Bridge as it's not finished yet and rather transformed from what it used to be in my heyday.

West Hampstead Thameslink is good too, which I discovered a lot later than I should have done.

And how did I forget Barking?!
 

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I believe the OP likes wagamama and such like, so he'll like Boxpark. Croydon's gone worse in my eyes now it's getting posher. I'm not a posh lad so it doesn't bode well for me. God help them if they take my Burger King away! Or my Pumpkin for that matter!

Clapham Junction, Willesden Junction, Bethnal Green (but by christ get used to writing fast there!), Stratford, Ealing Broadway and Finsbury Park are all the classic spots. I don't include London Bridge as it's not finished yet and rather transformed from what it used to be in my heyday.

West Hampstead Thameslink is good too, which I discovered a lot later than I should have done.

And how did I forget Barking?!



The concept of Central Croydon and "posh" I find unbelievable - ever walked down the road towards West Croydon. ? - used to do meetings there and after Swindon it was the worst location. Lowlife and dealers even in "office hours"

West Hampstead always good - now a new Marks food store by the NLL station and the cafe just over the bridge does an outstanding and great value breakfast / decent lunch. Nice easy walk to Hampstead proper - if you dont mind a few gradients.

Another good place - apologies if someone has flagged - is Willesden HL - even has upmarket coffee shops on the platforms now - great variety of Bakerloo / DC / WCML and NLL ....
 

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You wouldn't want to see some of the parts of Bristol I've been to then! Or if it was fishquinn commenting, he'd tell you Holyhead is worse which is of course duff gen. I wasn't trying to suggest Croydon as a whole is posh, just the nonsense like BoxPark isn't welcome for me.

ChiefPlanner, yes I have walked down that way, including in the early hours of the morning. I've seen worse, but agreed it's not the nicest place. Never encountered the issues you mentioned though. I would still rather live in Croydon than the rather rural area I'm in! Mind you, the area around Canons Park would be better, and I'd sure not be disappointed by Harrow.

Willesden HL having a coffee shop on the platforms? I like the sound of that, it must be said. That could be a good place to hunt my 378s then...
 

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You wouldn't want to see some of the parts of Bristol I've been to then! Or if it was fishquinn commenting, he'd tell you Holyhead is worse which is of course duff gen. I wasn't trying to suggest Croydon as a whole is posh, just the nonsense like BoxPark isn't welcome for me.
The suburbs of Bristol are certainly incredibly grotty but the city centre is absolutely excellent, as is Clifton. Holyhead may not be worse than Croydon (they're both absolutely dire) but it is incredibly awful.
 

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You wouldn't want to see some of the parts of Bristol I've been to then! Or if it was fishquinn commenting, he'd tell you Holyhead is worse which is of course duff gen. I wasn't trying to suggest Croydon as a whole is posh, just the nonsense like BoxPark isn't welcome for me.

ChiefPlanner, yes I have walked down that way, including in the early hours of the morning. I've seen worse, but agreed it's not the nicest place. Never encountered the issues you mentioned though. I would still rather live in Croydon than the rather rural area I'm in! Mind you, the area around Canons Park would be better, and I'd sure not be disappointed by Harrow.

Willesden HL having a coffee shop on the platforms? I like the sound of that, it must be said. That could be a good place to hunt my 378s then...

Croydon (and I am sure there are more experts here than me) has some very pleasant suburban bits - green and tram served - however the centre is concrete and bleak thanks to post war redevelopment - and the area around West Croydon is really best avoided for all sorts of reasons...
 

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personally i like southall for spotting whilst in london, good variety of units and freight,no hassle from the station staff and some nice shops near the station ans stratford is always visited when i'm down in the big smoke :)
 

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My issue is that when I tap in on Oyster I'll need to complete my journey within a certain timeframe. Got caught out at Clapham Junction as I went over the maximum permitted time to complete a journey!

Are there any stations where there are no barriers so I can walk freely onto the platforms? (and then tap in when I travel?)
 

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if your worried about tapping in and out with oyster i know that can be a problem have been caught out also maybe the best idea is to buy a paper 1-6 daily travelcard at least there are no restrictions on times
 

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if your worried about tapping in and out with oyster i know that can be a problem have been caught out also maybe the best idea is to buy a paper 1-6 daily travelcard at least there are no restrictions on times

I was considering this but it's £8.10 for a railcard holder!
 

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If you're at a barriered station, speak to staff. People on here have reported they've been allowed to tap out and return to the platform. Especially someone where like Clapham Junction where your request isn't unusual. I would however get a paper travelcard. It won't cost any more than oyster (if you hit your cap) and it means you can float around and do whatever.
 

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If you're at a barriered station, speak to staff. People on here have reported they've been allowed to tap out and return to the platform. Especially someone where like Clapham Junction where your request isn't unusual. I would however get a paper travelcard. It won't cost any more than oyster (if you hit your cap) and it means you can float around and do whatever.

I have already hit my cap with Oyster. What I might do is just purchase a single from Victoria and go to Clapham. Then exit and have a nose and then Oyster it back to Waterloo.

Whilst I am full aware there is no shame, I have to confess I am a bit shy/embarrassed (you wouldn't think with how lively I am on here!) of asking staff for platform access. When I train spot, you won't see me at the extreme end of the platform with a notepad; I'm just sat on a bench on my phone like a non-enthusiast! I don't even take pictures of trains!

My only concern with that method is, do I have to complete my single journey within a certain timeframe? Can I travel to Clapham, have an hour or so and then exit?
 

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Buy a dictaphone, that's what I use. Much easier too, when going past depots. Be ideal for Clapham, then your not typing like hell on your phone.

I've got an oyster card, mind you living in the North East its not fully tapped out but I will just buy an all zone travel card, when I'm down there, just show it at the barrier if it won't let you back in and they'll let you back in.

Hope you don't mind I'm keeping a beady eye on your thread too. Planning a few days down there myself, in October. Maybe a few bits n bobs useful to you in my looking for advice in London thread too. We all need a bit help out now and again and who better to ask than fellow enthusiasts.
 

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I have been caught out a couple of times using a contactless card as an Oyster, explained each time that I was spotting and got the money refunded, but obviously it does take a few weeks to resolve.

Are you just wanting freight, or after LHCS too?

The Chiltern Line is good in the morning, I recommend West Ruislip for photography or just general spotting, nice long platforms so you are not in anyone's way. The timings for the 68 services are elsewhere on this forum, but IIRC you can get all the sets passing through during the morning rush-hour in a 60 minute window.

Similarly the Anglia 90s, you can get all of the diagrams in about a three hour window passing through Stratford.

For the sleepers, never had any problem wandering down the platforms at Euston to see the locos at either end. At Paddington they use Platform 1 which is an access route for the car park anyway, so no issues there.
 

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Hmmm... am I the only one on here still using a traditional notebook and pen...?

In fairness Peter I've used a Dictaphone for as long as I can remember, everything still gets transferred into a notebook. Was a damn sight easier speaking into them, when wandering round depots at silly o'clock in the mornings in the pitch dark too, had to have a good supply of the mini cassettes them days.
 

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I was thinking more from the "typing into a phone" bit. A dicataphone wouldn't be much use to me with my ears... :lol:
 

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Hmmm... am I the only one on here still using a traditional notebook and pen...?

I use both memo files and my notebook and pen. If I'm doing lots of LU moves for instance I use my needs lists on my phone and fill in a moves file. When convenient I transfer the notes to notebook and moves book. Much easier than trying to scribble at top speed and referencing against my books on the Central line! :lol:
 

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Thanks to everyone for the replies!

I am more of a MU person as opposed to freight. I do jot down LHCS stuff too, saw a Norwich to Liverpool Street at Stratford.

Anyway, I shall fill you all in on my report from Monday. Hope you enjoy!

So on Friday I had the travelling blues and wanted to go somewhere. Looked on Megabus and a return to London was £9. Whilst I'm no means a major fan of Megabus, it was too good to miss out, so I went for it.

On the 0620 from Cardiff to London, journey ran well until Hammersmith where traffic was pretty dire. Driver knew the area well having previously worked on the London Buses years ago, so took a diversion via Chiswick (lovely area), Hammersmith and Fulham. Eventually got to Victoria at 1045.

Across to the tube station and took a Victoria Line to Highbury & Islington (sorry guys, I don't record tube stock, may start doing it but it's just too busy to notice). I do like the 2009 stock, very fast and swift acceleration! Probably my favourite stock on the entire network, followed by the new S7 and S8 stock on the Circle/District/Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan Line.

I went to Highbury & Islington, where my aim was to head to Stratford. Whilst the most obvious route from Victoria to Stratford is the Central Line from Oxford Circus, I wanted to go Overground, just to see a bit more, so I opted to change at Highbury. Winner 378204 pulls in with the 1138 Richmond to Stratford (2N38). The journey went smoothly into Stratford. At Stratford, I saw a 360 and a 90 on their way to Liverpool Street.

Needed to pop into Westfield to do a bit of shopping. An hour later I realised I was at the Stratford International end of the centre, so I jumped on the DLR. Before now, I have always just caught it from Stratford main, but I have yet to see International which is only the stop before, so I went from there. Winners 28+79 took me on the journey to Canning Town. The DLR is great.

At Canning Town, I had a swift change onto a Bank service. Winners 105+109+130 arrive. On both units I got the front seat, brilliant stuff! Saw a 357 pulling into Limehouse on a Fenchurch Street to Southend service. At Shadwell, we shot into the tunnel on the last stretch to Bank. Again, the Central Line runs direct from Stratford to Bank but the DLR is more interesting as the views of the docklands are perfect on a clear day.

At Bank, I made a swift change onto the Central Line to Marble Arch. Had a walk down Oxford Street and Tottenham Court Road and met my friend for a coffee. Afterwards, I decided to use the bus! I have only been on maybe four London buses at the most; one on the 10, the RV1, the 73, the 281 and a shuttle bus from Southfields to Wimbledon for the tennis years ago. I wanted to head to Victoria to get some EMU spotting, so I walked to Great Russell Street. I have always wanted to go a NB4L too. From here, there is the option of the 24, or the recently diverted 390 to Victoria. A 390 pulled up but I wanted a front row seat, so I waited for the 24 behind. LT104 (LTZ 1104) arrived and off we boarded. These buses are interesting but very warm!

At Victoria, I had to think about what to do ticket-wise, as despite the fact I'd reached my cap on my Oyster I didn't want to get caught out at Clapham Junction as I was going to be there for a while. I purchased a 16-25 single which was only £2.25.

A quick toilet stop now that they are free at Victoria, and off I went to Clapham Junction. Winners 377418+377147+377140 were on the 1718 to Littlehampton (1H40), which despite being formed of twelve coaches, was already pretty loaded (hello rush hour!). I made my way to the second coach and found a seat (I could have stood, but I'm lazy like that!). We set off to Clapham on time.

I was probably the only one to get off on the entire train; I wonder how many people actually make the short journey to Clapham! I got off to a huge crowd waiting to board 1H40, and it left Clapham full and standing.

This place at rush hour is absolutely bonkers! It's mad all day, but at rush hour you certainly feel it! So many 377s stopping and 387s passing, it is amazing! I spent about half an hour on platforms 13 and 14, then made my way platform 9 to see the SWT fast services passing through. 450076+450038+450541 stormed their way through on an Alton fast, and seconds later 450019+450550 stormed through with a fast service to Southampton. Pretty amazing stuff.

I then exited the station with my single with no problems, despite it being almost an hour since I bought it. A quick coffee stop and I tapped through to make the short hop to Waterloo. Winners 450039+450557 arrive on platform 4 with the 1712 Reading to Waterloo (2C56). Journey to Waterloo went smoothly, and we pulled in on platform 19.

I had decided earlier in the day that I wanted to take a train from Charing Cross over the Thames. I've walked alongside on the pedestrian bridge several times before but I hadn't caught a train. Rather embarrassingly, I had yet to lose my Southeastern virginity. Despite planning it earlier in the day, I didn't think I'd have time to do it as I'd spent so long at Clapham, however I thought sod it, and hopped over to Waterloo East for the leg to Charing Cross. This was all brand new territory for me. I made my way to platform D, and winners 375905+375815 pulled in with the 1658 from Dover Priory (2W58). 375905 was a welcome addition as that was one of the earliest SE units I'd spotted years ago, so it was nice for that to be my first winner for haulage.

The journey into Charing Cross was short but interesting. From there, I took the Bakerloo Line to Embankment, where I transferred onto the Circle Line to Victoria, before walking over to the coach station for the Megabus home. All in all, a cracking day!
 
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For future reference it's easy to walk from Charing Cross mainline to Embankment.


I know, I'm just a lazy sod :lol:


Dan - it's also actually quicker to walk from Charing Cross mainline to Embankment than it is to the Charing Cross Underground platforms. Just exit by the side staircase near the platform 1 barrier line into Villiers Street.
 
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