Blockade to allow Waterloo upgrade to take place, resulting in timetable changes

[infobleep]

Of course, and while they're at it, the WoE services should have been diverted by Romsey/Fareham/Haslemere/Cobham obviously......

I'd prefer Bookham and Epsom to Cobham, with a final diversion via East Putney of course.

 

[infobleep]

TL;DR: The railway would run much better if these irritating passengers didn't insist on boarding our lovely trains

They would certainly run to time better. The number of times I see online that the Berrylands to Hampton Court service is delayed in the evening. It won't always be due to pasengees but I suspect many of the minor delayed ones are.

 

[infobleep]

You can do the track any day without needing a blockade. Just at an unsociable time...

That's why I've not done that bit of track. However I am intending to do so.

 

[Deepgreen]

That's why I've not done that bit of track. However I am in tenting to do so.

You'll be camping, then?

 

[swt_passenger]

Following a question in the southeastern to Waterloo discussion, I found these moves in RTT, they suggest testing has started into the international platforms, the path appears Mon-Fri this week:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q09740/2017/07/03/advanced

W912 is the signal on the Windsor reversible that would allow access to the international platforms, that line is under T3 possession.

 

[Tio Terry]

Following a question in the southeastern to Waterloo discussion, I found these moves in RTT, they suggest testing has started into the international platforms, the path appears Mon-Fri this week:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q09740/2017/07/03/advanced

W912 is the signal on the Windsor reversible that would allow access to the international platforms, that line is under T3 possession.

Stepping and gauging tests on the platforms?

 

[swt_passenger]

Stepping and gauging tests on the platforms?

Someone just suggested that in the competing Southeastern thread. We do seem to like discussing things in multiple places...

 

[pompeyfan]

One would assume it'll b a 455?

 

[swt_passenger]

One would assume it'll b a 455?

Dunno. I had a quick look back on RTT and it seems to have arrived off an earlier Hounslow Loop service into P17. I'm a stranger in those parts, so perhaps someone knows the usual stock.

If they are doing gauging and stepping checks perhaps they'll go through the whole range of rolling stock over the next few days/weeks.

 

[pompeyfan]

Dunno. I had a quick look back on RTT and it seems to have arrived off an earlier Hounslow Loop service into P17. I'm a stranger in those parts, so perhaps someone knows the usual stock.

If they are doing gauging and stepping checks perhaps they'll go through the whole range of rolling stock over the next few days/weeks.

That would make sense actually. You wouldn't need 5 paths just to check one type of stock surely? Hounslow loops are usually 458s, tomorrow might be something different. Diesel, 444, 450, 455 and 458 would tick all the stock assuming that's how they'll do it?

 

[GW43125]

That would make sense actually. You wouldn't need 5 paths just to check one type of stock surely? Hounslow loops are usually 458s, tomorrow might be something different. Diesel, 444, 450, 455 and 458 would tick all the stock assuming that's how they'll do it?

I don't know if it still applies, but I heard that diesels are/were banned from the international platforms due to the roof.

 

[Class 170101]

I understand the Evening Standard reported on Friday that an additional platform - platform 10 - will now be out of use for the period.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

That's right, that's correct.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds...tion-during-major-waterloo-upgrade-in-august/

 

[bb21]

Well TBQH that's ultimately of their own making as trains are prepared and checked daily and things like doors generally don't jam themselves, it's because some buffoon holds/forces them and where air con is provided it will work provided the public don't interfere with the internal doors and use the little green buttons so the doors stay open because they're so lazy to put their fingers on the door open button.

Also MoP are told if you're not feeling well don't get on the train, so what do they do? Get on the train and then pull the passcom and cause significant delays to 1000's of others, which is just plain selfish.

Oh Yes the traction system which is like your cars engine can breakdown once in a while too, just like your cars engine can and when you consider the punishment it gets on a daily basis, it's not surprising.

So basically if you & they don't like the service that's on offer you & they should seek an alternative of which there are quite a few if you live in Surbiton upwards.

I know we don't always see eye to eye on things but that is spot on.

The only thing I will say is that I have some sympathy for those living along the Chessington branch at the moment, but the sheer amount of selfishness from some quarters is jaw dropping.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Try going up and down the main local stations during the peak periods and you will certainly know what selfishness and ignorance is. I really detest working those trains.

I really do wish I could go back to my old depot, just to avoid that lot.

 

[infobleep]

You'll be camping, then?

Lol. Indeed.

 

[infobleep]

Sat at Surbiton today, it was clearly obvious why these types of works are needed or passengers need to be encouraged not to travel.

The 7.41 semi fast to Waterloo was cancelled due to a train fault. Thus probably impacted to some extent. This meant the next service to Waterloo wasn't until 7.53 this pulled in at 7.50 people then preceeded to get on. This was a non stop service, unlike the 7.41, which was semi fast.

Once as many that could squash on as possible where on, it then waited for 2 minutes before departing. No one else could get on in that time.

Now you'd think, if this train is so pack, people would just wait 4 minutes for the 7.57. However by the time that train arrived, the platform seemed just as busy again. That left 3 minutes late. No doubt due to the number of passengers at that station and ones preceeding it. It the 7.32 from Woking though, so one of the busiest trains in the country or at least it was according to published stats.

I guess passengers could have waited for the 8.02 stopping service but the platform seemed fairly busy even for that service. Of course some passengers would be those wanting the 7.41. There were a few seats on the train but clearly not enough for all passengers and the train would only get busy further up the line.

I guess they could wait for the 8.08 but I'm sure that one is just as busy.

Now to have more trains, to try and stop them being so busy, one needs infrastructure improvements. These improvements won't occur without disruptive engineering works.

 

[infobleep]

In addition to the above, I got out at Wimbledon 4 minutes late. It took more than 2 minutes to exit the station and I hadn't put myself in the right place to alight and go up the stairs as fast as possible. There was a queue of people be held at a barrier at the bottom of the stairs.

Thus I missed the half hourly connection on the Sutton loop line. It's an official connection too, as they allow you 6 minutes to change. So now I'm going back to New Malden and getting a bus as I'm hoping that will be quicker than waiting for the next train. I should have got out at New Malden earlier but for some reason I thought changing at Wimbledon would be quicker. It would be if my train had been on time.

I'm now on a 5 minutes late train towards Hampton Court. So I think these give some idea of why infrastructure works are so important. Yes passengers don't help but I don't have the answers as to how to deal with them.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

In addition to the above, I got out at Wimbledon 4 minutes late. It took more than 2 minutes to exit the station and I hadn't put myself in the right place to alight and go up the stairs as fast as possible. There was a queue of people be held at a barrier at the bottom of the stairs.

Thus I missed the half hourly connection on the Sutton loop line. It's an official connection too, as they allow you 6 minutes to change. So now I'm going back to New Malden and getting a bus as I'm hoping that will be quicker than waiting for the next train. I should have got out at New Malden earlier but for some reason I thought changing at Wimbledon would be quicker. It would be if my train had been on time.

I'm now on a 5 minutes late train towards Hampton Court. So I think these give some idea of why infrastructure works are so important. Yes passengers don't help but I don't have the answers as to how to deal with them.

Could some of that be down to just the volume of people heading to Wimbledon for the tennis?

 

[Malcolmffc]

Noticed this morning that trains on the Chessington branch are now stopping at the end of the 10-car platform extensions (the trains are still 8 car 455s of corse). Previously they stopped further back. Presumably drivers learning the new stopping points.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

I'd hardly call a up Cobham a semi fast at anytime, thanks to the poor timetable, all you need to do is approximately 37-38 mph to achieve the damned awful 8 minutes journey time from Surbiton to Wimbledon, a journey that in reality can be done in 6. 8 is with Malden and Raynes thrown in.

 

[TEW]

Noticed this morning that trains on the Chessington branch are now stopping at the end of the 10-car platform extensions (the trains are still 8 car 455s of corse). Previously they stopped further back. Presumably drivers learning the new stopping points.

The stop marks were changed at the weekend. A number on the Epsom Line have been changed over the last couple of weeks too.

 

[Muzer]

Well TBQH that's ultimately of their own making as trains are prepared and checked daily and things like doors generally don't jam themselves, it's because some buffoon holds/forces them and where air con is provided it will work provided the public don't interfere with the internal doors and use the little green buttons so the doors stay open because they're so lazy to put their fingers on the door open button.

Or the units could have been designed with sensors or pressure pads like British Rail stock always had, so they doors don't close as you're walking through them. And they could have designed the buttons so they can actually be pressed by someone who isn't The Incredible Hulk.

 

[paok]

5Z50 currently in Platform 20. Left Platform 17 this morning and went into Clapham Yard before returning.

 

[wastedlife]

Sat at Surbiton today, it was clearly obvious why these types of works are needed or passengers need to be encouraged not to travel.
...
Now to have more trains, to try and stop them being so busy, one needs infrastructure improvements. These improvements won't occur without disruptive engineering works.

Today is a bad example to use, or rather, a somewhat unfair example to use, as the 07:07 fast from Surbiton to Waterloo was cancelled - I think it failed somewhere around Ash Vale, on its way to Woking from Farnham. As a result, the 07:27 will have been rammed, as will the 07:38, both of which have the same calling pattern from Woking to Waterloo as the 07:06.

For whatever reason, the fast service from SUR-WAT between 06:41 and 07:38 is rubbish at best, and when one of the two services gets cancelled, they don't bother to stop any of the somewhat empty fast services in that period to relieve the consequent overcrowding at SUR. I'm just glad I was on the 06:57 today.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Or the units could have been designed with sensors or pressure pads like British Rail stock always had, so they doors don't close as you're walking through them. And they could have designed the buttons so they can actually be pressed by someone who isn't The Incredible Hulk.

Now off to the naughty step for you, for using the worst thing you can when it comes to the railway and that's common sense.

 

[swt_passenger]

I understand the Evening Standard reported on Friday that an additional platform - platform 10 - will now be out of use for the period.

Was also mentioned in this thread a couple of weeks ago.

 

[swt_passenger]

That would make sense actually. You wouldn't need 5 paths just to check one type of stock surely? Hounslow loops are usually 458s, tomorrow might be something different. Diesel, 444, 450, 455 and 458 would tick all the stock assuming that's how they'll do it?

That one RTT path covers 5 in and out moves, and there are 5 platforms... Was a 10.458 doing the honours today when I passed through, sitting at W912 at about 1010 just about to enter P20 as far as RTT was concerned.

Attached photo shows state of approaches this morning. New hoardings going up on the ramped bridge. Some escalator components have been delivered.

 

[pompeyfan]

That one RTT path covers 5 in and out moves, and there are 5 platforms... Was a 10.458 doing the honours today when I passed through, sitting at W912 at about 1010 just about to enter P20 as far as RTT was concerned.

Attached photo shows state of approaches this morning. New hoardings going up on the ramped bridge. Some escalator components have been delivered.

Sorry I probably didn't make it clear, 5 paths, one for each platform, but 5 days of the same path to check various stock?

 

[swt_passenger]

Sorry I probably didn't make it clear, 5 paths, one for each platform, but 5 days of the same path to check various stock?

Yes sure. But our theorising will probably be blown away when they use 458s all week...

Perhaps people could keep a look out over the next few days...