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Nottingham & Newark Castle return

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Nottingham to Newark Castle on East Midlands Trains website: £6.20 Standard Day Single, £6.40 Off Peak Day Return. £7.20 Anytime day return.

Why is it cheaper from Beeston to Newark Castle for an off Peak Return? - and I've just double checked that price on the National Rail website...
 
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Market based pricing and also the fact that many fares of secondary importance are not well maintained to the point where they make neither sense for the passenger nor commercial sense for the TOC. To be honest it must be a nightmare maintaining so many fares, I'm sure there must be some automated script they use?
 

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There are a number of anomalies in place around the East Midlands areas, some of which the commuters take advantage of, Ivanhoe stations to Bulwell is a popular one! :)
 
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Perhaps better not to mention them all here.
 

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Radcliffe on Trent, ahem. ;)

I'm not saying from where.
 

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Perhaps better not to mention them all here.

Please do not mention any more of these. Too many cheap fares that I have regularly used for years have been removed within days of someone mentioning them here. Don't spoil it for those of us who quietly make use of these fares as there aren't too many left these days, I expect a few more to disappear now.
 
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At one time I was under the impression that fares from a station grouping would all be the same - hence surprise at the Nottingham & Beeston discrepancy!
 

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Radcliffe on Trent, ahem. ;)

I'm not saying from where.

Some of those anomalies are so well known that train managers will help you out if you mistakenly ask for a more expensive ticket to a certain nearby city!
 

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At one time I was under the impression that fares from a station grouping would all be the same - hence surprise at the Nottingham & Beeston discrepancy!

This generally follows for longer-distance fares, but less so with local fares.
 

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Why is it cheaper from Beeston to Newark Castle for an off Peak Return?
Since privatisation some train companies have been attempting to put up the price of travel as much as they can get away with, in order to increase revenue (the assumption appears to be that passengers will generally pay whatever the TOC asks for!)

Often that means concentrating on flows that are lucrative for whatever reason.

Sometimes they forget about longer distance journeys that are valid to start and/or finish short in order to make the 'lucrative' journey at a lower price.

The fact that some fares rise more than others leads to anomalies. With some exceptions, the train companies generally think that the fares they have artificially risen to ludicrous levels should remain high and will therefore often attempt to increase any cheaper fares that they subsequently discover are undercutting the higher fares.

Some companies are fussed about anomalies and try to 'fix' them (often by increasing cheaper fares, and potentially causing even more anomalies further down the line) while others just seem to accept that anomalies will always exist.

In this case it's only 10p. I suspect EMT will either not bother to fix it, or they will put the cheaper fare up.

There are some examples of fares going down when an anomaly is exposed, but these are relatively uncommon.
 

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More anomalies.
The Off Peak DR and the Anytime DR from Beeston are exactly the same fare - £6.20. What's the point?
There are only Day fares from either Beeston or Nottingham.
What's the logic for having longer period returns between some stations and not others?
There are even "Anytime Short Returns" on Northern now (SHR, valid 1 day out, 1 month return).
What problem are they trying to fix? What's "Short" about it?
 
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The anytime short return is to attempt to prevent people reusing the outward portion if it doesn't get clipped by restricting it to one day, for shorter distance flows where anytime style tickets may still be useful. Sadly the loss of Avantix means I can no longer swipe such tickets to put the fear of god into these fraudsters.

The usual cheaper fares are generally well known about by the train crews.
 
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