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Manchester Stns to Hednesford

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Mcr Warrior

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:?: Any suggestions for splitting tickets to reduce the price of an off-peak (day) return on a Saturday in March from Manchester Stations to/from Hednesford (= £30-30)?

N.B. Not a problem being routed via Rugeley rather than Birmingham New Street even if this involves an extra change of trains.
 
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A suggestion:

Manchester - Stafford Offpeak Day £16.50

Stafford - Hednesford Offpeak Day £4.40

Total £20.90
 

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A suggestion:

Manchester - Stafford Offpeak Day £16.50

Stafford - Hednesford Offpeak Day £4.40

Total £20.90

:???: Thanks. Although travel via Rugeley is probably going to be quicker, is the Stafford - Hednesford fare quoted here also interavailable via Birmingham New Street? (National Rail timetable planner seems to suggest that travel via Birmingham New Street is permitted on the £4.40 ticket that 'hairyhandedfool' mentions, even although a ticket for just the Stafford-Birmingham New Street leg alone is priced at £8-30 (off-peak day return).
 

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:???: Thanks. Although travel via Rugeley is probably going to be quicker, is the Stafford - Hednesford fare quoted here also interavailable via Birmingham New Street? (National Rail timetable planner seems to suggest that travel via Birmingham New Street is permitted on the £4.40 ticket that 'hairyhandedfool' mentions, even although a ticket for just the Stafford-Birmingham New Street leg alone is priced at £8-30 (off-peak day return).

Probably via Wolverhampton.
 

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Although travel via Rugeley is probably going to be quicker, is the Stafford - Hednesford fare quoted here also interavailable via Birmingham New Street?

No. From the National Routeing Guide (http://www.atoc.org/rsp/Routeing_Guide.asp)

Stafford is a member of Stafford Group routeing point.
The routeing points for Hednesford are Rugeley Trent Valley and Walsall Group.

To determine which routeing point for Hednesford to use for this journey, we need to do a fares check. For CDR fares:
Stafford - Hednesford £4.40
Stafford - Rugeley Trent Valley £3.00
Stafford - Walsall £6.70

Rugeley Trent Valley is the only routeing point where the fare is the same or lower than the fare for the throughout journey from the origin station to the destination station, so it is the appropriate routeing point for Hednesford for this journey.

Permitted routes between Stafford Group and Rugeley Trent Valley are shown on map TL (Trent Valley local services) only.

Map TL shows that the two permitted routes between Stafford Group and Rugeley Trent Valley are:
- direct from Stafford to Rugeley Trent Valley, and
- from Stafford to Stoke-on-Trent, then to Rugeley Trent Valley avoiding Stafford.
(Note that the existence of a permitted route between two points does not imply the existence of a train service!)

So the two permitted routes for a £4.40 CDR Stafford - Hednesford are:
- from Stafford to Rugeley Trent Valley (direct) to Hednesford, and
- from Stafford to Stoke-on-Trent, to Rugeley Trent Valley avoiding Stafford (if you can find such a train), then to Hednesford.

Travel via Wolverhampton or Birmingham is not allowed.

John
 

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Travel via Wolverhampton or Birmingham is not allowed.

John

:) Thanks. As previously mentioned, however, the National Rail timetable planner (and the one for Virgin Trains as well) both show travel as being permissible by Birmingham New Street, and the fare as £4-40.
 

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:) Thanks. As previously mentioned, however, the National Rail timetable planner (and the one for Virgin Trains as well) both show travel as being permissible by Birmingham New Street, and the fare as £4-40.

Then buy the ticket from one of these sites, print out the acknowledgement including the times of the journey via Birmingham, and carry it with you on the journey.

John
 

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Which I daresay would not have been permitted back in the days before LM banished the Birmingham > Rugeley > Stafford trains from the WCML portion of the route. But then that's probably more VWC moaning than LM. With the lack of any real service on that bit now, I too would have suggested Stafford > Birmingham > Hednesford.

Of course, I concur that you would be very recommended to get a print-off of this journey to prove to the Train Managers involved that you were given the journey on a journey planner.
 

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Of course, I concur that you would be very recommended to get a print-off of this journey to prove to the Train Managers involved that you were given the journey on a journey planner.

Or just stick to LM. Totally free!! Round here at least, was mega shocked to get gripped last night but it was only a glance...
 

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Manchester to Rugeley Trent Valley is valid via Birmingham (Routeing Guide maps CM+CN) and there is an Off-Peak Day Return for £16.50 - just break your journey at Hednesford.
If you want to go both ways via Rugeley add a Trent Valley to Hednesford Off-Peak Day Return for £2.20.
 

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Has anyone considered using the west midlands day ranger and then get a ticket to either Crewe or Kidsgrove/Stoke. The west Midlands ticket is valid on most trains with the area except Vermin. You could even go to hednesford via Northampton if you wish then!
 
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