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Dispute with GTR- denied partial refund on season ticket

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charlie04

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Hi all

I'm currently communicating with GTR regarding a season ticket issue I have. If someone can offer advice on how to proceed I would be grateful.

The issue arises from trying to buy an annual season ticket from Hatfield (Herts) to London Terminals before the price increase kicked in on January 2.

I didn't need the ticket until January 3 (as that's when I returned to work). But due to it being the festive period, I thought I would play it safe and buy a few days early rather than leave it until the final day.

I checked GTR's website, saw the Hatfield ticket office was open 31 December, so I went along that afternoon to buy it. This was around 3pm. Unfortunately, when I arrived the ticket office was closed. The barriers were up too and I couldn't find anyone to assist me.

I went to the next station nearest me that has a ticket office, Welwyn Garden City, but it was exactly the same. The website said they were open, but no one was there and the barriers were up.

I called GTR and the adviser agreed with me, the ticket offices should be open as the stations had not submitted any information that they would be closing early. He suggested I go to Finsbury Park to buy it, but I said that's unreasonable and I can't travel into London to simply to buy a ticket.

He advised I can buy it tomorrow instead, as Hatfield was scheduled to be open, but to call first and they can check before I travel there. So I did just that. Called GTR on the morning of January 1, they called Hatfield for me, but after several attempts he said no one seems to be there. He then tried WGC. The same. I was then advised I could go to Stevenage, Potters Bar or Finsbury Park. I explained I was unable to do so as I was looking after my children and couldn't simply travel out like that.

They made one last suggestion which was to try and buy it online. I attempted to do so, but I could only buy the ticket with a start date of January 3, which meant it was the higher fare in any case.

So I ended up buying the ticket on the morning of January 3 for the higher price. I contacted GTR explaining what happened, giving them the reference their customer service created when I called them, and asked them to please refund me the price increase difference, as it was through no fault of my own that I couldn't buy the ticket before the increase.

They've replied refusing the refund, saying there is no refund to give as I bought it on January 3 and that's the price it should have been. They explained they will pass on my feedback to the station manager regarding their inconsistent opening hours.

Can anyone suggest what I should do now? I don't think I'm being unreasonable in expecting a refund for the difference.

Their website didn't contain any seasonal opening hours. So the information could only be interpreted as Hatfield ticket office being open on December 31 until 8pm. I went at 3pm. Similarly, it said they would be open January 1 until 7.30pm.

As mentioned, I didn't even need the ticket until January 3. So I felt it's early enough to be buying it December 31.

If anyone can offer some advice as to how best to proceed, or if they've seen this issues before, that would be great.

Thanks for any help you can provide.
 
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Hadders

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It sounds as though someone at GTR hasn't grasped exactly what the issue is (which is hardly surprising for such an incompetent operator). You might want to escalate to London Travelwatch.
 

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There have been shortages of staff at Hatfield and WGC on and off for ages. And the TVM reliability has been off too (albeit irrelevant for a season).

Last year I did get to someone (not agency staff, but a long serving member of staff) who couldn't, or wouldn't, renew my season a few days before new year - claiming he wasn't able to. He seemed to be sure he couldn't sell a season for two stations not part of GTR.

In these situations, once someone says they can't and won't try or ask for advice, they won't back down and you're scuppered.

I actually got it done by AGA instead with no trouble (at Tottenham Hale) because I was travelling via there anyway. This year I ordered my ticket online to get a load of Nectar points (via GWR's site) so I wouldn't have to even try to play the game. A hint for next year perhaps.

Keep at them as they should compensate you for all of your efforts to get a ticket in good time. And if they are not aware station ticket offices are closing early, they bloody well should be.
 
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It sounds as though someone at GTR hasn't grasped exactly what the issue is (which is hardly surprising for such an incompetent operator). You might want to escalate to London Travelwatch.

Was the ticket going to be valid from 31st December or 3rd Jan ? if the latter I would have thought it would have been at the new rate anyway ?
 

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Was the ticket going to be valid from 31st December or 3rd Jan ? if the latter I would have thought it would have been at the new rate anyway ?

Trying, and failing, to buy before the price increase is the whole crux of the complaint!
 

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Was the ticket going to be valid from 31st December or 3rd Jan ? if the latter I would have thought it would have been at the new rate anyway ?

Not sure what is hard to grasp here?

OP wanted to buy the ticket on 31st December at the old rate, they couldn't because of circumstances out of their control (closed ticket office), or being asked to travel an unreasonable distance to do so. Same happened on 1st January.
 

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I would say London Travelwatch is your best bet here.

Yes, and then never buying such tickets from GTR again! The queues at Hatfield for the last year or two (especially at weekends) is horrendous. Often there are signs up at Hatfield to say that due a shortage of staff the ticket office is closed, or they're just closed with no signs at all.

Despite now having five TVMs, the fact that one of them is so near death it fails regularly, another has touch screen issues, sometimes they're unable to handle cash and go card only, and so on - it's a mess.

Some people know to walk around and use the outside machine near the locked gate, but I tried that yesterday only to find that this was running so slow (imagine an old PC trying to use virtual memory to load a huge app) that I had to wait 5-10 seconds for every press of the screen to respond.

When I got to pay, the authorisation took so long I thought it would time out, and then it took ages to print the tickets.

Has GTR got to the point where it doesn't really care about selling tickets of ANY type? On the basis that it doesn't keep the money, and maybe the DfT isn't monitoring sales or the reliability of machines?
 

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I stopped using GTR's Stevenage office years ago. I'd rather put my money over the counter of the excellent VTEC office at Stevenage or book on-line.
 

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I stopped using GTR's Stevenage office years ago. I'd rather put my money over the counter of the excellent VTEC office at Stevenage or book on-line.
Ah yes. A station that wouldn't sell me a first class supplement and all the staff rounded on me saying I couldn't get them as my season didn't cover the area I wanted a ticket for...

I then started to use the other, easy to miss, ticket office and - what a difference!

Hard to believe such a difference with only a partition to separate the two experiences.
 

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Great experience of the VTEC staff at Stevenage especially Nigel, he seems to know everyone by name

Agreed. It's always good to have a conversation with him about the minutia of ticketing matters :D
 

charlie04

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Hi all

Thanks so much for your advice. It's reassuring to know that it's not just me that considers GTR unreasonable.

I'll try one more time to seek a refund from them, and should the be unsuccessful I'll escalate the matter to London Travelwatch.

I'll also update this on any progress in case someone else find themselves in the same situation at a later time.
 

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How much is the premium, and how much does travel on 32 dec 2017 and 1 & 2 jan 2018 equate to?
 
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