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The UK leaving the EU is probably going to increase the number of tourists and visitors who can't use data on their phone without paying a fortune.
Nonsense. The agreements on lower roaming charges have actually been delayed by the EU & are agreed by an international organisation called INTUG.
 

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Nonsense. The agreements on lower roaming charges have actually been delayed by the EU & are agreed by an international organisation called INTUG.

So when are call charges going to be capped if you phone home from North America, Africa or Asia? How come they didn't get capped sooner if it was the EU slowing things down?
 

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So when are call charges going to be capped if you phone home from North America.....
Those of us who travel to such places with any frequency and who are bothered enough about such costs, have already jumped ship from any previous supplier and are now with "three" - because they charge not a bean extra for "roaming" in any one of something like 40 countries - USA being one of them.
 

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Nonsense. The agreements on lower roaming charges have actually been delayed by the EU & are agreed by an international organisation called INTUG.

As someone who has a family member that worked on the agreements, this is a ridiculous comment.
 

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Not everyone has two phones or a dual sim phone and if you get a PAYG local sim the data will be a lot more expensive than on a contract phone - EE charges £1 a day and has a 30MB fair usage allowance.

That's more or less the same rate as roaming.
 

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Not everyone has two phones or a dual sim phone and if you get a PAYG local sim the data will be a lot more expensive than on a contract phone - EE charges £1 a day and has a 30MB fair usage allowance.

I have a PAYG SIM in my iPad and the charges are nothing like that. Look at specific PAYG data SIMs instead.

Phone calls are becoming less important all the time (it's very much in a minority. The less important they become, the more you can use any form of data connection.
 

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Nonsense. The agreements on lower roaming charges have actually been delayed by the EU

No they haven't, although it should be pointed out that they had a job on getting the last lot of roaming charge cuts in Europe through because of heavy lobbying against it by, er, the UK government.
 

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Those of us who travel to such places with any frequency and who are bothered enough about such costs, have already jumped ship from any previous supplier and are now with "three" - because they charge not a bean extra for "roaming" in any one of something like 40 countries - USA being one of them.
But with a lot of throttling that restricts many services and also causes many VPNs to fail or be rendered near unusable. Plus a lack of tethering.

Don't get me wrong, Feel at Home is better than a kick in the teeth but it's nothing like roaming with networks that have no restrictions, 4G access and tethering.

Getting 200Mbs on a train in Germany using 4G makes you wonder why you'd use Wi-Fi!

Come June it will be interesting to see if Three at least offers unhindered data access in the EU under net neutrality rules, but it is still not offering 4G access when roaming (when other Three networks around the world do).
 

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I have a PAYG SIM in my iPad and the charges are nothing like that.

You seem to have the idea because you don't need wifi on public transport that no-one needs it.

My ASUS tablet doesn't have a SIM slot and a data only SIM only works in a tablet or a dongle.

Phone calls are becoming less important all the time (it's very much in a minority. The less important they become, the more you can use any form of data connection.

You might not plan to make any calls while abroad but a situation may arise where you do need to make a call.
 

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Those of us who travel to such places with any frequency

I imagine you're in the minority. Most people I know don't travel to North America regularly and I imagine the possibility of travelling to North America sometime in the next 5 years doesn't mean 'call charges back home from North America' is high on your list of considerations when choosing a new phone plan.
 

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You seem to have the idea because you don't need wifi on public transport that no-one needs it.

I think within 10 years nobody will need it (or rather not enough people for it to be worthwhile providing it).

You might not plan to make any calls while abroad but a situation may arise where you do need to make a call.

Skype? TU GO (on O2)? TBH, I think in 10 years' time, which is the horizon I'm thinking of, we won't have calls packages, we will make voice calls via an app running over a data connection. Wouldn't surprise me if the PSTN was near enough gone by then in its current form, too - not having a landline telephone is increasingly the norm.

My present (contracted) employer, notably, which is a large global corporation, has abolished desk phones completely. All calls are to be via Skype for Business on the laptop/PC, or on a mobile.
 
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Desk phones using VOIP for example work well because you usually have a dedicated line for the traffic.. This is usually hard-wired and may or may not have some sort of Quality of service.

On my trip home from London Bridge to East Croydon I can make a full phone call without any loss of quality or problems.

During this time however my data connection goes from rubbish to good to rubbish again along the journey.

I use Skype call minutes from my mobile over data for calling various overseas countries.

Works perfectly well if I am in a decent wifi or 4g area.

Other places not so good.
 

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Skype? TU GO (on O2)? TBH, I think in 10 years' time, which is the horizon I'm thinking of, we won't have calls packages, we will make voice calls via an app running over a data connection.

You can't make reliable technology predictions for 10 years time. Apple decided not allowing Flash (due to unreliability) but proper HTML5 support and using touch screen was the way forward and it paid off for them. Blackberry decided touch screen wasn't the way forward (again due to unreliability) and that Flash still needed to be supported but touch screen became more reliable and Flash became less popular and it made them look outdated.
 

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If you are worried about data cost then get an unlocked mobile Wi-Fi device and cheap data only SIM cards off eBay or Amazon. Even cheaper if you don't mind swapping SIM cards (which is easier if you have a mobile Wi-Fi device) is to get Data Reward SIMs from Three which give 200 MB of data completely free month. I have 10 so I have 2 GB of data completely free each month.

I have an account with Localphone and use the Zoiper app to make calls over the internet which works fine and is a lot cheaper than Skype. UK landline calls are 0.5p per minute and UK mobile calls are 1.8p per minute, including VAT, and there are no connection charges.
 

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we will make voice calls via an app running over a data connection.

With FreedomPop, they give you an app to make calls and texts over the internet. If you want to make calls in the traditional way, you have to pay a monthly fee for the privilege.
 

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Skype? TU GO (on O2)? TBH, I think in 10 years' time, which is the horizon I'm thinking of, we won't have calls packages, we will make voice calls via an app running over a data connection. Wouldn't surprise me if the PSTN was near enough gone by then in its current form, too - not having a landline telephone is increasingly the norm.

My present (contracted) employer, notably, which is a large global corporation, has abolished desk phones completely. All calls are to be via Skype for Business on the laptop/PC, or on a mobile.

VoLTE is what is going to make 4G do what 2G and 3G could never do. Networks are going fully IP-based for calls, but the slowness to roll out VoLTE compatible handsets (or make compatible handsets ACTUALLY compatible by updating the firmware to support it) means we'll have circuit switched phone calls on mobiles for a good few years yet.

VoIP services are of course easy to use by all right now too, and it's good that people have a choice.

As I have 5-6 SIMs but only one number I give out (and I divert calls as needed), I considered a Skype number and then using the app on whatever phone I carry - but at the time, Skype was killing my battery being loaded all the time.

The advantages are not needing to worry about diverting calls, having one fixed number on the CLI (if I call out from another phone, I give the wrong number and people can store that and re-use it, which messes everything up!) and being able to add multiple numbers from different countries if I want.

For most consumers, a phone on a plan that includes roaming seems easiest. Bar the cheapest plans, EU roaming is likely to be included for calls these days, and either a fixed bundle of data or access to your standard data when roaming in the EU - and possibly beyond for a daily fee.
 

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You can't make reliable technology predictions for 10 years time. Apple decided not allowing Flash (due to unreliability) but proper HTML5 support and using touch screen was the way forward and it paid off for them. Blackberry decided touch screen wasn't the way forward (again due to unreliability) and that Flash still needed to be supported but touch screen became more reliable and Flash became less popular and it made them look outdated.

He's spot on in this case though. All phone calls will be IP-based within ten years, whether using a normal mobile to make calls 'direct' or loading an app.

Native phone support is probably a better way for most people, but I doubt Skype and the like are going anywhere anytime soon. That said, you can't predict if these particular services will last ten years - but something will, no matter who buys who, mergers, renames etc.
 

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Native phone support is probably a better way for most people, but I doubt Skype and the like are going anywhere anytime soon. That said, you can't predict if these particular services will last ten years - but something will, no matter who buys who, mergers, renames etc.

When the Apple iPod Shuffle first came out Macromedia (who invented Flash) ran a competition offering them as prizes. Fast forward a few years and Adobe (who acquired Macromedia) and Apple are enemies and the chance of Adobe offering an Apple product as a competition prize was around 0%.
 

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/06/uk-tourists-face-mobile-phone-roaming-charges-post-brexit-paper-says

UK tourists face mobile phone roaming charges post-Brexit, analysis says
Leaked document says EU ban on roaming charges due to come into effect in June will not apply to UK travellers
A woman uses a mobile phone in front of the Eiffel Tower
In 2014 the average roaming charge added to Britons’ mobile bills for EU use was £61. Photograph: Mika Images/Alamy
Daniel Boffey in Brussels
Published: 13:47 GMT Monday, 06 February 2017
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British tourists will have to pay mobile phone operators’ roaming charges when they travel in the EU after Brexit, according to the European parliament committee that helped pioneer the legislation.

Despite a ban on the practice, holidaymakers and business travellers will face hefty bills if they use their phone within the EU from 2019, unless the British government strikes a favourable deal with the union.

Last week, the European commission announced that, from June this year, “consumers will be able to call, send SMS or surf on their mobile at the same price they pay at home” when travelling in the EU.

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The move, which has been years in the making, would significantly reduce travel costs. However, a leaked analysis on UK withdrawal from the EU confirmed this would not apply to Britons post-Brexit.

The document was drawn up earlier this month by the European parliament’s committee on industry, research and energy, and endorsed by MEPs. It states that “regulation (EU) No 531/2012 on roaming will no longer apply with respect to the UK, impacting business and other travellers to and from the UK” and that “transitional arrangements will be necessary”.

In recent years, the EU has slowly forced phone operators to reduce their roaming charges. Other companies have voluntarily dropped them as they sought a competitive edge before the expected 2017 ban.

In 2014, before roaming charges started to be reduced, 20% of UK mobile users travelling to the EU faced higher than usual bills for usage, according to data from Uswitch. The average charge added to bills was £61, and 17% of those affected faced bills of £100 or more.

The Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron said: “From the cost of food and petrol to mobile phone bills, Brexit is hitting consumers in the pocket. Families shouldn’t pay the price for this government’s reckless hard Brexit plans.

“Theresa May must fight to keep hard-won benefits for British consumers like reduced roaming charges in the negotiations.

“This shows again why the British people must get the final say on the government’s Brexit deal once its full impact becomes clear.”

The European parliament’s analysis also raised the question of the UK’s role in a consortium of member states that is monitoring spacecraft and space debris for the potential benefit of the EU.

“The Space Surveillance and Tracking (SST) Support Framework provides for the establishment of a consortium of member states that own and operate the necessary sensors for tracking spacecraft and space debris and process the relevant data,” it says. “The UK is part of this consortium, but there is no provision for third countries to take part in the consortium.

“Should the UK continue to participate in some capacity and make a financial contribution and how should that be arranged (this would likely require an international agreement)?”

The chair of the committee, Jerzy Buzek, a Polish MEP, writes in a foreword to the document that the paper is an initial assessment of the law and that he expects his colleagues to be involved in any negotiations.

“It is important to recall that, given the short time available for their preparation and the fact that the UK position is still unknown, [the analysis] can only constitute a very first assessment of the situation,” he says.

“It is therefore essential that the parliamentary committees be closely involved in following the negotiations and in the consent procedure as well as in discussions on any transitional arrangements and the future relationship, so that parliament can benefit from the substantive knowledge held in the committees.”

When the Apple iPod Shuffle first came out Macromedia (who invented Flash) ran a competition offering them as prizes. Fast forward a few years and Adobe (who acquired Macromedia) and Apple are enemies and the chance of Adobe offering an Apple product as a competition prize was around 0%.

They certainly aren't, Adobe are usually one of the main feature at Apple keynotes (and see attached).
 

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